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Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

DougWantsALeaf wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:45 pm If I were to need a car today, I would definitely try an euv. The rear leg room looks pretty good for slender adults.
3 inches more rear passenger legroom than the Bolt EV.
The cargo room when the rear seats are upright is the same in the Bolt EV and EUV

The EUV is 6 inches longer overall than the Bolt EV. The other 3 inches were wasted extending the hood so the car looks were more appealing to the mainstream.
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Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

GM claims that the Bolt EUV actually does have more cargo space than the Bolt, but that the government's rules for how that space is measured doesn't allow it to be classified as cargo space. Something about the location of the rear axle...
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Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

LeftieBiker wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:17 pm GM claims that the Bolt EUV actually does have more cargo space than the Bolt, but that the government's rules for how that space is measured doesn't allow it to be classified as cargo space. Something about the location of the rear axle...
And indeed it does ... if the rear seats are folded down.
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Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

I wish I had more time to chime in but we do have an existing Bolt thread at https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=18907. I did own one for 3 years exactly and had my former '19 Bolt bought back related to the battery recall.

Received a VERY nice check in exchange. Surprisingly, the car was pretty much troublefree and I'm not a fan of GM. My interactions w/Chevy dealers for service were minimal so I can't comment much on that. Tesla service used to be excellent before Model 3 hit large scale deployment. Now it seems like it's gone down the toilet. It sounds like some service centers are incompetent besides many seemingly understaffed and very poor in communications.

I've had total of 4 Nissans (2 being Leafs) spanning late 01 to mid-2011 and end of July 2013 to mid-2021. Generally, my service interactions w/Nissan dealers have been ok but w/a few problems here are there. One of the dealers w/a great rep (Nissan Sunnyvale, formerly Falore) closed down awhile ago and they weren't close to home nor my current work either.

I'd say as with most brands, for service, it is a case of YMMV.

One of the big bummers of Bolt is the not competitive DC FC speed for today, of maxing out at 55 kW and ramping down once you hit about 50% SoC. Was fine when Bolt came out in Dec 2016 but has been blown away by many cars now. If you don't go on road trips with an EV or do them rarely, then it's not an issue.

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Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

cwerdna wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:28 am If you don't go on road trips with an EV or do them rarely, then it's not an issue.
My take on road trips in a Bolt is that if overnight charging is available then 400 miles during the day is not an inconvenience.
Two people with luggage is no problem, three with luggage means one rear seat is folded down for luggage.

I find the steering wheel to be just a tad squirrely at over 70 mph, but this may be only my car, of it may be in comparison to our Tesla which is a dream of a trip car.
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Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

Many thanks to all who chimed in on this thread. It's very helpful.
I still think I'll go with the Leaf. I like the way it looks and the cabin feels more comfortable to me. Plus, I'd rarely need to take it on a road trip that would require multiple DC fast charging stops.
As an earlier poster said, the car has to be a good fit for the person buying it. I'm kind of a gadget boy and I generally like having the latest, whizzy tech, but this is largely going to be a city/commuter car, so the fancy LED displays become irrelevant.
Apropos of nothing, by the way, my wife has a 2018 Mazda 3 hatchback and we both love it. If Mazda released a Model 3 EV I'd rush to give them my money. The cabin is very comfortable and it drives like a little sports car.
Nissan Leaf it is, then.
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It's funny you say that, as except for road trips, I am finding myself just turning off the screen more and more often.
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Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

DougWantsALeaf wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:53 am It's funny you say that, as except for road trips, I am finding myself just turning off the screen more and more often.
I don't have NAV so my center screen is off be default. I turn it on long enough to change audio (AM for sports) but that is about it.

Cwerdna;

My thoughts and experiences mirror yours. The Bolt/LEAF was designed to be an affordable EV entry which means defined abilities in some areas to provide usability in others. I have rarely desired high end features simply because I am cheap...don't want to pay for stuff I don't see value in, etc. But that mostly only applies to cars. I have a 82" Samsung, Pixel 6 Pro, etc...

But the real evaluation is hindsight. If I had to do it all over again, what would I have done? Can't say I would have changed anything other than not being in the way when my 30 kwh was t boned. Keeping that car until the Plus came out is really the only thing that I would have changed despite my getting ALL my money back PLUS $1200.

Interestingly enough, had I kept the 30 kwh until its 3 year lease was ended, it would have been 3 weeks before I swapped my 40 kwh lease for the Plus lease.

As far as service? Well, that is a dealer thing and I have never really equated dealer experiences with the brand itself as they are simply two different businesses with different goals, resources, etc. This is why I drive past 3 Nissan dealerships to have my car serviced. I used to drive past 6 of them but thankfully Aaron changed locations to one 30 miles closer to me. ;)
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Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

The horrible seats the Bolt was a non-starter for me, along with the cheap feeling interior plastics which I might have looked past if the seats were reasonably comfortable. One would think GM would have figured out their seating is junk and moved on to something better by now. But that’s just my 2 cents…
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Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

rogersleaf wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:38 am One would think GM would have figured out their seating is junk and moved on to something better by now. But that’s just my 2 cents…
GM likes trucks and large SUVs. Has GM ever put luxury into a small car? Like you, we weren't comfortable in the Bolts we sat in.

Considering GM's history with electric cars I wonder if it is committed to keeping the Bolt.

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