Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement Installers lists - Website & Facebook List

DougWantsALeaf said:

That's fine. I really am indifferent to the supplier.

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Not worth the money. I get that long haulers want temperature management but current Tesla cells would be too much additional cost for just the support system.

Hence I said 5 years from now. Our 2 62 Leaf meet our needs. But in 5 when cost per kWh drops to $50, i could see spending 5k plus install on a 100kWh pack and drive the car an additional 5 years.

DougWantsALeaf said:

Hence I said 5 years from now. Our 2 62 Leaf meet our needs. But in 5 when cost per kWh drops to $50, i could see spending 5k plus install on a 100kWh pack and drive the car an additional 5 years.

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You will only see that price when market forces dictates it which means never. We don't pay what it costs to create a product; we pay what the market will bear.

DaveinOlyWA said:

[Not worth the money. I get that long haulers want temperature management but current Tesla cells would be too much additional cost for just the support system.

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You don't understand the Tesla cell. It was designed first and foremost to reduce production cost per kWh; second, to ~ double volumetric energy density; and third, to improve volumetric power density.

The tech advance in heat dissipation was a baseline requirement to use a 4680 form factor cell.

EV Trucks will use the Tesla cell (or at least its design) to meet two performance goals:
1. $50 per kWh OEM pack cost
2. A doubling of Wh/Kg to work within the loaded truck weight constraints and to allow over 500 km runs between charges. This advance is much less related to the 4680 form factor and mostly due to more silicon.

DougWantsALeaf said:

I would say going from a 24 to a 40 an upgrade.

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EV RIDES LLC in Portland has done 20 of them and they have done people who have sipped their LEAFs to them.

I know, and its awesome. I hope more 62 packs become available so more bigger upgrades are possible.

DaveinOlyWA said:

DougWantsALeaf said:

Hence I said 5 years from now. Our 2 62 Leaf meet our needs. But in 5 when cost per kWh drops to $50, i could see spending 5k plus install on a 100kWh pack and drive the car an additional 5 years.

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You will only see that price when market forces dictates it which means never. We don't pay what it costs to create a product; we pay what the market will bear.

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What is the range of retailroduction costs for commodity goods ?

SageBrush said:

DaveinOlyWA said:

DougWantsALeaf said:

Hence I said 5 years from now. Our 2 62 Leaf meet our needs. But in 5 when cost per kWh drops to $50, i could see spending 5k plus install on a 100kWh pack and drive the car an additional 5 years.

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You will only see that price when market forces dictates it which means never. We don't pay what it costs to create a product; we pay what the market will bear.

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What is the range of retailroduction costs for commodity goods ?

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retailroduction for an Apple adaptor cable has to be 100 to one or more.....forty bucks?

SageBrush said:

DaveinOlyWA said:

DougWantsALeaf said:

Hence I said 5 years from now. Our 2 62 Leaf meet our needs. But in 5 when cost per kWh drops to $50, i could see spending 5k plus install on a 100kWh pack and drive the car an additional 5 years.

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You will only see that price when market forces dictates it which means never. We don't pay what it costs to create a product; we pay what the market will bear.

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What is the range of retailroduction costs for commodity goods ?

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Ones who successfully predict that make fortunes. There are few out there which is the reason we have sales, rebates, and other sales incentives. It is the norm in retail. You create a product and set a price that gets you the return you think you can get. That works...or not so you rebate it, promo it, etc.

This is transportation so a bit of a "locked" market but one with many options. The real answer depends a lot on what gassers, oil, etc. does. As we know; when gas prices drop, so does the desire for efficiency. I know many more than I am comfortable with who accepted a $100 cut in monthly payments when gas prices were low. So far so good for them because gas prices are still low.

DougWantsALeaf said:

I know, and its awesome. I hope more 62 packs become available so more bigger upgrades are possible.

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My 2019 totaled SL Plus with a good 62 pack comes up at auction next Friday. https://www.copart.com/lot/57864930/salvage-2019-nissan-leaf-s-plus-fl-punta-gorda

dmacarthur said:

retailroduction for an Apple adaptor cable has to be 100 to one or more.....forty bucks?

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Of interest is commodity gross profit

The Apple cable is not a commodity item.
Examples of commodities are NG, oil, paper, corn, alfalfa, 2170 battery cells.
No name, generic products tend to imply commodity markets. Intellectual property rights (IP) are not involved.