Loggerhead
Posts: 5
Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:31 am
Delivery Date: 13 Dec 2022

Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

Yes, it does. A little background….Like you I was predisposed toward a Bolt EUV. What drove me to the Leaf was initially the fact that the Leaf is a reliable car and the Bolts are not. Consumer Reports’ latest annual buying guide recommends only one EV….the Leaf. It has a sterling 10-year history of reliability. Sure, it may not go as far as a Bolt, but it is also much less likely to be recalled.

As far as obsolescence is concerned, the Bolt will be lucky to make it to 2024 before being dropped and the Leaf will likely be replaced around 2026. Today’s Bolts and Leafs will be replaced by more desirable models and that’s a good thing.

For me, the Leaf makes sense. It will be my local driver, not my cross-country rover. I don’t worry about DC fast charging technology because all my charging will be on a 240 line in the garage. 200-225 range is all I’ll probably ever need and the Leaf delivers.
DougWantsALeaf
Posts: 3705
Joined: Fri May 10, 2013 8:21 pm
Delivery Date: 18 May 2013
Leaf Number: 407811
Location: Chicago North Side

Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

What year and trim do your have?
2019 S Plus (92.8% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (88% SOH) Both Silver
2013 Leaf SV sold 2019
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max Miles on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max Miles on 19 SV+: 242 Highway miles @ 4.5 miles/kWh
Loggerhead
Posts: 5
Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:31 am
Delivery Date: 13 Dec 2022

Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

I’’m looking at a 2023 SV Plus when January rolls around. The government will have determined the level of rebate, $3750 or $7500, for the Leaf by the end of December.
Triggerhappy007
Posts: 297
Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:08 pm
Delivery Date: 01 Jan 2019

Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

Loggerhead wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:27 am I’’m looking at a 2023 SV Plus when January rolls around. The government will have determined the level of rebate, $3750 or $7500, for the Leaf by the end of December.
Why wait until January when you can get $7500 until the end of the year? (If you have enough tax liability)
2022 Mustang Mach-E Select RWD
2022 Leaf Plus SV White/Black-Sold
Loggerhead
Posts: 5
Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:31 am
Delivery Date: 13 Dec 2022

Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

The primary reason is that there is no local stock available.
WetEV
Posts: 5110
Joined: Fri May 04, 2012 8:25 am
Delivery Date: 16 Feb 2014
Location: Near Seattle, WA

Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

Loggerhead wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:33 am The primary reason is that there is no local stock available.
How far could you travel and drive back for perhaps $3750?
WetEV
#49
Most everything around here is wet during the rainy season. And the rainy season is long.
2012 Leaf SL Red (Totaled)
2014 Leaf SL Red (Sold)
2019 eTron Blue
DaveinOlyWA
Posts: 16249
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:43 pm
Delivery Date: 16 Nov 2019
Leaf Number: 319862
Location: Olympia, WA
Contact: Website

Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

WetEV wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:05 am
Loggerhead wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:33 am The primary reason is that there is no local stock available.
How far could you travel and drive back for perhaps $3750?
I know many who feel Nissan incentives will be greater when tax incentive is reduced. I think they are trying to keep in line with Bolt on pricing which will be a greater challenge come Jan.

Their biggest mistake is ending the S Plus trim.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 46,415 mi, 90.94% SOH
My Blog; http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Toby
Posts: 147
Joined: Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:56 pm
Delivery Date: 20 Mar 2019
Leaf Number: 311086
Location: British Columbia

Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

DaveinOlyWA wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:19 pm Their biggest mistake is ending the S Plus trim.
As one with an SV Plus I'm not sure it was a mistake. However, I think the world wide shortage of microchips is influencing decisions.

What is hurting is the decision to keep Chademo in recent years.
DaveinOlyWA
Posts: 16249
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:43 pm
Delivery Date: 16 Nov 2019
Leaf Number: 319862
Location: Olympia, WA
Contact: Website

Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

Toby wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:23 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:19 pm Their biggest mistake is ending the S Plus trim.
As one with an SV Plus I'm not sure it was a mistake. However, I think the world wide shortage of microchips is influencing decisions.

What is hurting is the decision to keep Chademo in recent years.
Chademo's imminent demise is quite overblown. How does a chip shortage affect the trim with the likely least number of chips? I figured it was more like they didn't want to cut the price to match the higher trim price cuts. Still an egregious error.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 46,415 mi, 90.94% SOH
My Blog; http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
cwerdna
Posts: 13580
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:31 pm
Delivery Date: 28 Jul 2013
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: Bolt versus Leaf: Am I crazy?

WetEV wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:05 am
Loggerhead wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:33 am The primary reason is that there is no local stock available.
How far could you travel and drive back for perhaps $3750?
Even non-local stock might be tough. The dealer might have markups and you might have to place deposits on incoming cars, meaning most are pre-sold by the time they arrive. This was the situation for new Leafs in and around the Bay Area (I extended my search to be somewhat outside it) in Dec 2021/Jan 2022. When I checked some dealers out of state, it was also pretty bad w/virtually no inventory.

'22 Niro EV
'19 Bolt Premier (bought back by GM)
'13 Leaf SV w/premium (former)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium (lease over)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

Return to “New Members & Newbie Questions”