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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Tesla driver blames San Francisco Bay Bridge crash on 'Full Self-Driving'
The Thanksgiving accident was one of several that snarled traffic for holiday travelers
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/12/22/san ... tesla-fsd/

Tesla under investigation by NHTSA for two more crashes that may have involved Autopilot or FSD
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/22/nhtsa-i ... tions.html - it includes the above crash.

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Made this case earlier and glad to see Tesla also seems to be agreeing...

https://electrek.co/2022/12/06/tesla-ra ... -concerns/
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https://techstory.in/tesla-banned-from- ... alifornia/

https://www.pcmag.com/news/california-b ... lf-driving
California has outlawed Tesla from calling its software Full Self-Driving, as legislators said its name could lead a 'reasonable person' to believe the feature allows a car to become fully autonomous.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

cwerdna wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:30 pm Tesla driver blames San Francisco Bay Bridge crash on 'Full Self-Driving'
The Thanksgiving accident was one of several that snarled traffic for holiday travelers
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/12/22/san ... tesla-fsd/

Tesla under investigation by NHTSA for two more crashes that may have involved Autopilot or FSD
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/22/nhtsa-i ... tions.html - it includes the above crash.
https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/sta ... 2061128704 has a tweet w/the video of the accident. Tweet says, in part:
"I obtained surveillance footage of the self-driving Tesla that abruptly stopped on the Bay Bridge, resulting in an eight-vehicle crash that injured 9 people including a 2 yr old child just hours after Musk announced the self-driving feature."

Points to story at https://theintercept.com/2023/01/10/tes ... autopilot/ which I haven't read yet. I did watch the video though.

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Although the failures are spectacular, (The golden gate bridge incident is a prime example - "why wasn't the driver paying attention to what his car was doing?"), the averages are improving: https://insideevs.com/news/630650/tesla ... -improved/
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According to Tesla, the number of miles driven per one accident registered, when using Autopilot technology, is consistently increasing, which indicates that cars are getting safer to use.
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In Q3, the company noted one accident per 6.26 million miles driven - a 13 percent increase year-over-year. The record result was noted in Q1, at 6.57 million miles driven.
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"It's important to note that the results are comparable only within a particular category (Autopilot or without Autopilot), not between the categories as the input data might be widely different (like simple highway driving or complex city driving). In other words, we can only see whether the active safety systems are improving over time (and it's also only a rough comparison), but we can't compare Autopilot to non-Autopilot driving."
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"We collect the amount of miles traveled by each vehicle with Autopilot active or in manual driving, based on available data we receive from the fleet, and do so without identifying specific vehicles to protect privacy. We also receive a crash alert anytime a crash is reported to us from the fleet, which may include data about whether Autopilot was active at the time of impact. To ensure our statistics are conservative, we count any crash in which Autopilot was deactivated within 5 seconds before impact, and we count all crashes in which the incident alert indicated an airbag or other active restraint deployed. (Our crash statistics are not based on sample data sets or estimates.) In practice, this correlates to nearly any crash at about 12 mph (20 kph) or above, depending on the crash forces generated. We do not differentiate based on the type of crash or fault (For example, more than 35% of all Autopilot crashes occur when the Tesla vehicle is rear-ended by another vehicle). In this way, we are confident that the statistics we share unquestionably show the benefits of Autopilot."
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So in summary, the autopilot system is improving. But from the data, no concrete conclusions can be made about whether or not driving with autopilot is safer.
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https://youtu.be/Nvvhmc837Tw

This poster has some good video footage of A/P working as intended. He also cited one interesting statistic: A/P preventing 40 pedal mis-applications daily.

We're not at FSD yet, but the rate of improvement is getting us there.
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cwerdna wrote: Tue May 28, 2019 11:56 pm ^^^
BTW, you are aware of the misleading video from Tesla from Oct 2016, right?

https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-ca ... g-hardware

Even if you don't agree with the assertions at https://dailykanban.com/2017/02/ca-dmv- ... ive-video/, the delays did happen (https://insideevs.com/news/329266/tesla ... says-musk/) and you can see Tesla's CA autonomous testing disengagements at https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detai ... eport_2016 for yourself besides looking at what they reported for all the years at https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detai ... us/testing. It sure fooled my college classmate. He got the impression that Tesla was much further ahead than they were. We were both computer science majors in college and have worked in software most of our professional careers.

The 2018 reports weren't as nicely formatted for Waymo (for example), so you can look at https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/ ... l-results/ for rankings.

This is besides all his missed dates of a cross-country autonomous drive. I haven't verified all the dates at https://www.inverse.com/article/55141-e ... us-driving, but they look right. Example below:
Oct. 2016: Musk announces all cars will ship with enough cameras to enable FSD, and that the company will complete a cross country trip “all the way from L.A. to New York” by the end of 2017.
DMV pulled the above reports, but you can still see the 2016 reports via https://web.archive.org/web/20180201185 ... eport_2016 and Teslas at https://web.archive.org/web/20180811140 ... OD=AJPERES.

Finally news about that misleading 2016 video has been coming out recently, which IIRC NYT in a documentary brought up in the past 2 years.

Tesla staged 2016 self-driving demo, says senior Autopilot engineer
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/01/te ... -engineer/

Tesla engineer testifies that 2016 video promoting self-driving was faked
https://techcrunch.com/2023/01/17/tesla ... was-faked/

Tesla staged Autopilot demo video, says director of software
https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/17/2355 ... fic-lights

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