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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Cool. I'll have to swing by to take a look at it.

Please post what they are asking for it and what rebates are available if you would. Asking for a friend. ;)
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

We drove the Ariya last Saturday at Boulder Nissan.

It's an "Evolve +" model - FWD, nicely equipped. Bigger than we'd like, but no doubt just what most would be looking for. Rides nice. Drives nice. Nice interior. Nowhere near the "giddyup" that our Leaf+ has. (It's almost 1000# heavier and makes similar power.) 87kWh battery. EPA estimates ~290 miles of range.

Not eligible for any Fed rebates. Sales guys concerned about that. They're expecting 30 of these next month. Asking $52k for this one.

We mostly just wanted a data point. Not shopping actively here. It does have a heat pump. They didn't know about V2H support. Probably not just yet.

Given our experience with the Leaf, we will be leaning toward V2H support as a future-proofing feature (adding solar to our house, and losing confidence in the reliability of the grid), and heat pump required given where we live. Bigger battery is better in my mind. Works less hard, mitigates concerns about degradation and resale. The trade-offs against efficiency are more than worth it in my mind. From a practical standpoint, the bigger battery is almost a no-brainer, despite the increased cost, but I couldn't see paying for an even larger one either.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Thanks for the inputs. $52K no rebate will be a tough sell in view of the revised Model Y pricing as well as all other new makes/models in the market.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

OldManCan wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:47 am Thanks for the inputs. $52K no rebate will be a tough sell in view of the revised Model Y pricing as well as all other new makes/models in the market.
Tough ? How about nigh impossible
The 330 mile Model Y LR is $53k msrp before fed tax credit
-- 4.8 seconds 0 -60, 4.2 sec with $2k option
-- Octovalve
-- Supercharging
-- Pre-conditioning
-- And a slew of other advantages. I made this table for another purpose but it details the AWD/LR contents
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$40k for the Ariya might interest some people
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

SageBrush wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:02 am
OldManCan wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:47 am Thanks for the inputs. $52K no rebate will be a tough sell in view of the revised Model Y pricing as well as all other new makes/models in the market.
Tough ? How about nigh impossible
The 330 mile Model Y LR is $53k msrp before fed tax credit
Agreed. Its a non-starter
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Agree that $40k would be a fairer price for what we drove last weekend, although I'm not sure how to figure current pricing given all the up and down we've seen.

That said, there is also a long list of negatives weighing the scales on the other side of things with Tesla vehicles. Anything Tesla is just not going to find its way into my garage at any price. At this point, I'm done with Elon.

The interior regression on controls was already a deal-killer in my mind. His antics more recently have just piled on. I'm done with Elon.

The sooner he steps away from Tesla, the better. Tesla needs a Gwynne Shotwell. Elon needs to stay sober and take *all* of his meds *all* of the time.

I may still consider their Powerwall (on the back of the garage, lol), at some point in the future, but am actively watching for another option there as well. No rush in either case. Battery tech continues to advance in lots of places. Interesting times ahead. For now, the Powerwall product appears to be the clear leader, and if installed by a reputable vendor, you can have a decent experience. There are no other options for their cars - you deal with the insanity you signed up for.

I don't have patience for that kind of customer service, or lack thereof. Nissan has had its issues as well, certainly, but our dealer has been quite good. No complaints with them or the Leaf. Otherwise we'd be long gone by now.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

frontrangeleaf wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:37 am We drove the Ariya last Saturday at Boulder Nissan.

It's an "Evolve +" model - FWD, nicely equipped. Bigger than we'd like, but no doubt just what most would be looking for. Rides nice. Drives nice. Nice interior. Nowhere near the "giddyup" that our Leaf+ has. (It's almost 1000# heavier and makes similar power.) 87kWh battery. EPA estimates ~290 miles of range.

Not eligible for any Fed rebates. Sales guys concerned about that. They're expecting 30 of these next month. Asking $52k for this one.

We mostly just wanted a data point. Not shopping actively here. It does have a heat pump. They didn't know about V2H support. Probably not just yet.
I'm not shopping either and don't even know Ariya starting prices off the top of my head but agree that $52K is a tough sell esp. in light of no Federal tax credit eligibility. However, for me, even if a car is eligible, I am not eligible. My income is well above the income cap (listed at https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/ ... 3-or-after).

This is one thing I bet Nissan product planners were counting on, esp. by the Ariya EVent I went to before the "IRA" was signed. They figured they'd be eligible (due to not having hit the 200K unit phaseout yet) and Tesla wouldn't (since they did years ago). My memory's foggy now, but they may have even touted that at the EVent.

Update: Per https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/elec ... ariya.html, looks like the cheapest is the Engage FWD version with 63 kWh battery for $43,190 MSRP not including destination charge. Highest trim level MSRP is $60,190 before dest charge.

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