User avatar
garygid
Gold Member
Posts: 12465
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:10 am
Delivery Date: 29 Mar 2011
Leaf Number: 000855
Location: Laguna Hills, Orange Co, CA

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:35 am

You might not like the law, but it IS the law.
It should not be difficult to try to identify "illegals".

If this law seems too "racial", then by all means, it should be amended to require all people to present "valid papers" at any contact with authorities, employers, schools, stores, businesses, hotels, restruants, banks, checkpoints, etc.

Then the law would not be racial in any way. Just good, proper, easily-checked identification at any transaction.
See SOC/GID-Meter and CAN-Do Info
2010 Prius, now for sale
2011 LEAF, sold in 2015
2018 Tesla Model 3
2014 Tesla S, Model 3 in 2019
PU: SDG&E
Solar PV: 33 x 225W -> 7 kW max AC
To Sell: X-treme 5000Li EV motorcycle

User avatar
evnow
Moderator
Posts: 11480
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:41 am
Delivery Date: 25 Feb 2011
Leaf Number: 303
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:26 pm

garygid wrote:... it should be amended to require all people to present "valid papers" at any contact with authorities, employers, schools, stores, businesses, hotels, restruants, banks, checkpoints, etc.
Sounds like a police state to me ... and definitely violates the constitution.
1st Leaf : 2/28/2011 to 5/6/2013
2nd Leaf : 5/4/2013 to 3/21/2017
Volt : 3/25/2017 to 5/25/2018
Model 3 : 5/10/2018 to ?

User avatar
mwalsh
Posts: 9644
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:10 am
Delivery Date: 05 Jan 2011
Leaf Number: 0213
Location: Garden Grove, CA

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:41 pm

evnow wrote:Sounds like a police state to me ... and definitely violates the constitution.
But that's what constitutional amendments are for. ;)
2011 Blue Ocean SL with 84,000 miles
2015 pack on 12/30/15
Tinted windows
Bosch AGM 12v
Ecopia 422+ tires
L1 EVSE upgrade
FIAMM horns
Superbright LED lighting
2013 sun visors
LED shifter
Heated seats
GT-R map lamp lenses
Altima illuminated door switches

AndyH
Posts: 6388
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:43 pm
Location: San Antonio

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:16 pm

evnow wrote: and definitely violates the constitution.
How so?

User avatar
evnow
Moderator
Posts: 11480
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:41 am
Delivery Date: 25 Feb 2011
Leaf Number: 303
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:53 pm

AndyH wrote:
evnow wrote: and definitely violates the constitution.
How so?
What Gary is proposing is far more than what HR 418 wants. Some provisions of even 418 have been struck down.

Depending on how exactly this proposal is written it would violate the 1st amendment and/or commerce clause, at a minimum.
1st Leaf : 2/28/2011 to 5/6/2013
2nd Leaf : 5/4/2013 to 3/21/2017
Volt : 3/25/2017 to 5/25/2018
Model 3 : 5/10/2018 to ?

User avatar
EVDRIVER
Moderator
Posts: 6706
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:51 am

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:03 pm

I was so glad I only lived in AZ one year but I do love the desert:)

AndyH
Posts: 6388
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:43 pm
Location: San Antonio

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:06 pm

evnow wrote:
AndyH wrote:
evnow wrote: and definitely violates the constitution.
How so?
What Gary is proposing is far more than what HR 418 wants. Some provisions of even 418 have been struck down.

Depending on how exactly this proposal is written it would violate the 1st amendment and/or commerce clause, at a minimum.
I don't know, evnow. The funny thing is, I'm a disabled veteran with a full file in both the USAF and VA systems. Every time I request information or work within the system I have to present identification. I have to present an ID card to get on base, again when I check-in with a doctor or check-out at a store. I have to present an ID for myself, and a birth certificate for my son to register him for school on base. I got a reauthorization for my VA mortgage guarantee last week and had to resubmit my discharge package to prove that I served even though I have an open file with the VA. Bottom line - no papers, no authorization.

Why in the world would it be somehow cruel or unusual to have people bring proper ID to a school when registering their kids? This is just as taxpayer funded as the military system, right?

(I don't agree with Gary's suggestion that banks, restaurants, stores, or businesses have a need to know, however.)
Last edited by AndyH on Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
mwalsh
Posts: 9644
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:10 am
Delivery Date: 05 Jan 2011
Leaf Number: 0213
Location: Garden Grove, CA

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:06 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:I was so glad I only lived in AZ one year but I do love the desert:)
Too hot in AZ for me. Plus, I get asked WAY too much already if I'm a Mexican here in SoCal (and I'm not even all that tanned AND have red(ish) hair!).
2011 Blue Ocean SL with 84,000 miles
2015 pack on 12/30/15
Tinted windows
Bosch AGM 12v
Ecopia 422+ tires
L1 EVSE upgrade
FIAMM horns
Superbright LED lighting
2013 sun visors
LED shifter
Heated seats
GT-R map lamp lenses
Altima illuminated door switches

User avatar
Azrich
Posts: 533
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:27 pm
Delivery Date: 26 Jun 2015
Leaf Number: 000604
Location: Tucson, AZ

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:54 pm

garygid wrote:You might not like the law, but it IS the law.
It should not be difficult to try to identify "illegals".

If this law seems too "racial", then by all means, it should be amended to require all people to present "valid papers" at any contact with authorities, employers, schools, stores, businesses, hotels, restruants, banks, checkpoints, etc.

Then the law would not be racial in any way. Just good, proper, easily-checked identification at any transaction.
On the news yesterday, they said the Tucson police and Pima County sheriff officers will view a 3 hour training video sometime during the next two days. This is suppose to teach them when and where to ask for papers. I'm just waiting for the law suits to begin with "born and bred" Americans (of many races) are asked for papers by the police and of course, don't have them. I've been mistaken for Hispanic many times and my ancestors came to the "New World" from southern Germany (Bavaria) in 1754.

What Gary is proposing is a police state. Everyone carry citizenship papers. Do I need to wear my passport around my neck? If it gets to that, its time to leave this state. Canada sounds nice.
Nissan LEAF - Blue Ocean SL-E
Reserved - April 20, 3:20 pm - Ordered - September 8, 2010 - Delivery: - March 22, 2011 - VIN: 604
EV Project Blink - installed March 17
5.8 kW PV system with 27 SunPower 215 W panels

User avatar
Azrich
Posts: 533
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:27 pm
Delivery Date: 26 Jun 2015
Leaf Number: 000604
Location: Tucson, AZ

Re: AZ immigration law ...

Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:04 pm

AndyH:
Why in the world would it be somehow cruel or unusual to have people bring proper ID to a school when registering their kids? This is just as taxpayer funded as the military system, right?
I've taught in Arizona public schools for 23 years. The ladies in the school office do ask for a birth certificate and make a copy of it whenever a new student is registered. These sweet, office ladies get paid $7.50 / hour. If they must turn in anyone who is born outside the U.S. to the immigration department or the Border Patrol they have just been made into U.S. Immigration officers who make triple that pay. That doesn't make sense.

A school's purpose is to educate children, not police who should live here or not.
Nissan LEAF - Blue Ocean SL-E
Reserved - April 20, 3:20 pm - Ordered - September 8, 2010 - Delivery: - March 22, 2011 - VIN: 604
EV Project Blink - installed March 17
5.8 kW PV system with 27 SunPower 215 W panels

Return to “Business / Economy and Politics”