Sounds like a police state to me ... and definitely violates the constitution.garygid wrote:... it should be amended to require all people to present "valid papers" at any contact with authorities, employers, schools, stores, businesses, hotels, restruants, banks, checkpoints, etc.
But that's what constitutional amendments are for.evnow wrote:Sounds like a police state to me ... and definitely violates the constitution.
What Gary is proposing is far more than what HR 418 wants. Some provisions of even 418 have been struck down.AndyH wrote:How so?evnow wrote: and definitely violates the constitution.
I don't know, evnow. The funny thing is, I'm a disabled veteran with a full file in both the USAF and VA systems. Every time I request information or work within the system I have to present identification. I have to present an ID card to get on base, again when I check-in with a doctor or check-out at a store. I have to present an ID for myself, and a birth certificate for my son to register him for school on base. I got a reauthorization for my VA mortgage guarantee last week and had to resubmit my discharge package to prove that I served even though I have an open file with the VA. Bottom line - no papers, no authorization.evnow wrote:What Gary is proposing is far more than what HR 418 wants. Some provisions of even 418 have been struck down.AndyH wrote:How so?evnow wrote: and definitely violates the constitution.
Depending on how exactly this proposal is written it would violate the 1st amendment and/or commerce clause, at a minimum.
Too hot in AZ for me. Plus, I get asked WAY too much already if I'm a Mexican here in SoCal (and I'm not even all that tanned AND have red(ish) hair!).EVDRIVER wrote:I was so glad I only lived in AZ one year but I do love the desert:)
On the news yesterday, they said the Tucson police and Pima County sheriff officers will view a 3 hour training video sometime during the next two days. This is suppose to teach them when and where to ask for papers. I'm just waiting for the law suits to begin with "born and bred" Americans (of many races) are asked for papers by the police and of course, don't have them. I've been mistaken for Hispanic many times and my ancestors came to the "New World" from southern Germany (Bavaria) in 1754.garygid wrote:You might not like the law, but it IS the law.
It should not be difficult to try to identify "illegals".
If this law seems too "racial", then by all means, it should be amended to require all people to present "valid papers" at any contact with authorities, employers, schools, stores, businesses, hotels, restruants, banks, checkpoints, etc.
Then the law would not be racial in any way. Just good, proper, easily-checked identification at any transaction.
I've taught in Arizona public schools for 23 years. The ladies in the school office do ask for a birth certificate and make a copy of it whenever a new student is registered. These sweet, office ladies get paid $7.50 / hour. If they must turn in anyone who is born outside the U.S. to the immigration department or the Border Patrol they have just been made into U.S. Immigration officers who make triple that pay. That doesn't make sense.Why in the world would it be somehow cruel or unusual to have people bring proper ID to a school when registering their kids? This is just as taxpayer funded as the military system, right?