Level 2 Charger Confusion

[AndyH]

Yup...screwed that up, didn't I?

[LEAFer]

No prob ... can happen to anyone

[EVDRIVER]

AV has nothing to do with the IRS. If you install any type of IRS outlined alternative vehicle charging station you are entitled to the IRS credit, you just need a receipt for the expenses. There are no "IRS" approved installer requirements, the IRS only cares you paid for it and it is as stated. Nissan wants to avoid all the issues of people messing up their cars so they make all these compatibility statements. This is all so very silly, does anyone think Nissan and EVSE makers won't all play well together on all levels? It is Nissan's goal to have as many compatible stations everywhere they possibly can no matter what the source, they WANT you to have as many public charging options so they can sell cars and eliminate charging objections. Many business will buy from people like Clipper C and others and it will be a STANDARD. There are new residential EVSE products on the way, I know this as a fact and many more will follow. If you want to wait then use the 120 cord and sign the waiver but don't bother telling Nissan what you intend to do it just makes it more complicated. Remember, there will be EVSE stations all over and Nissan FULLY expects people to plug into them if the cord fits and they don't expect people to check the box for a "Nissan" approved sticker. This entire thing is being blown out of proportion, it is a basic charging cord with a standard communication and this is about not stepping on toes at the moment. If the price makes sense form AV, then get it as it will for many. DIY people will find their own solution.

The IRS docs are available online- nothing stipulates an IRS approved installer as expected
Don't expect to see EVSE units in places that won't work on a Leaf, unlikely unless broken
Expect affordable EVSE options in the private market (not funded programs rushing to use the funds to get paid)
Ask AV for their IRS "certified documents" so you know that you will get the credit and they are "approved"- LOL

[pgrovetom]

I tried to email some of the other potential suppliers for EVSEs and got the response below form CliperCreek. Other than the pricing at $3000 which he says has been tested with the Leaf, he does confirm both ClipperCreek, Coulomb and Ecotality will be alternates to the AV EVSE. I wrote back asking about what the $3000 includes but got no response. Does anyone know anything about this CS-40 and the 2900 units he says they have installed? He must know about Nissan's $2200 AV price installed and it's odd he would quote such a high price. I really feel Nissan is blowing it by not clearing this mess up given their marvelous market position. I guess its pretty normal for the industry.

Thank you for your interest in ClipperCreek products.

First, I should correct a few data points you received from the other EVSE OEM.

1) The Federal tax credit goes to whomever installs the EVSE. The property owner usually.
- Any EVSE is capable of getting this tax credit. The credit is for the installation of a system.
2) Nissan is able to provide a free EVSE to some customers in targeted market areas.
- See recent announcements by Ecotality and Coulomb.
- In other markets Nissan is picking suppliers to work with and AV was the first selected.


ClipperCreek does and has been shipping UL Listed Level II EVSEs for months. We have over 2500 units installed since 2009. The price of our CS-40 model which has been tested with the Leaf retails for $3,000.

I have attached a link to our brochure ... EVSE.pdf'

If I can assist you further please let me know.

Regards,

Michael Paritee
Business Operations Manager
ClipperCreek Inc

609.902.0122
mp@ClipperCreek.net

[pgrovetom]

Here is an good document from the EV Project for the California CPUC on March 2010

EVSE PERMITTING AND INSTALLATIONS FOR THE EV PROJECT

eCotality eTec Sandbag

http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/NR/rdonlyres/B97 ... roject.pdf

[DeaneG]

..The IRS docs are available online- nothing stipulates an IRS approved installer as expected..

Would you happen to have an IRS form number handy? I'd like to check into the requirement for the EV and EVSE to be purchased the same tax year. I have a small suspicion that even as a very early "reserver", chances are good I won't have a Leaf under the tree in late December.

[EVDRIVER]

..The IRS docs are available online- nothing stipulates an IRS approved installer as expected..

Would you happen to have an IRS form number handy? I'd like to check into the requirement for the EV and EVSE to be purchased the same tax year. I have a small suspicion that even as a very early "reserver", chances are good I won't have a Leaf under the tree in late December.

Google says- http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8911.pdf The form is very basic and I suggest you have your tax person put both forms in together to see the result. The rules change each year as well.

[LEAFer]

..The IRS docs are available online- nothing stipulates an IRS approved installer as expected..

Would you happen to have an IRS form number handy? I'd like to check into the requirement for the EV and EVSE to be purchased the same tax year. I have a small suspicion that even as a very early "reserver", chances are good I won't have a Leaf under the tree in late December.

8834 for the car. PDF file: http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8834.pdf

[DeaneG]

Thanks a bunch. Guess it's on off day for me & Google.
I read 8834 and 8911 and did not see anything about the EVSE's installation ("placed in service") needing to be in the same tax year as the EV itself. Looks to me like the two credits are completely separate issues.

[EVDRIVER]

Thanks a bunch. Guess it's on off day for me & Google.
I read 8834 and 8911 and did not see anything about the EVSE's installation ("placed in service") needing to be in the same tax year as the EV itself. Looks to me like the two credits are completely separate issues.

They are separate, that's the reason for two forms but there may be implications of using them together so I would check with your tax person to be sure if use in the same year.