alembic42 wrote:guys, i get this and i don't understand what leafspy is about but i'll get it and try to learn.
i did some research. did you? how am i supposed to have known about the range being a lie? they just publish a number and back then i didn't find anything to contradict it, just enthusiastic people talking about how they got even more.
But here's the thing: I spent $16000 on this thing, barely used. Did you buy yours new? How are you NOT twice as pissed as I am? How have you not burned down the dealership? I don't understand how your expectations are so lax, when you got screwed even harder. Is it just a toy to you? do you have other cars? My wife and I have two cars and the leaf is one of them. There are lots of times that I can't go places I want to go. I can't afford to sell it cause I don't have 10 grand to put into the process. Seriously I just want the thing I bought and paid for.
How are you so lassiez faire about the whole thing when Nissan just burned you for even more money? I really mean that? Aren't you just absolutely livid? Or somehow you don't mind? Can I get a real answer here?
You guys are real EV owners right? Aren't we all in this together? Aren't we all getting seriously screwed out of tons of real money? This thing was supposed to SAVE me money, not this! How do you pay for this?? Do you just have a shit ton of money and you don't care? Honestly?
I have bought thirteen new cars and one used car in my life. In every single event the dealer told me some tall tale about a feature or performance or capability that was just utter nonsense. I've learned along the way that, by and large, car dealers are staffed by people who would otherwise be working in fast food or at a big box retailer. In other words, not people who are hungry to learn about their product and do an admirable job at pairing the right product with the right person, but people who need to make a sale RIGHT NOW. They will generally use any means to do so.
In every review from a reputable source on the 2011-2012 Leaf, none of the reviewers ever exceeded the 73 mile EPA rating. Car and driver, road and track, edmunds, consumer reports, autoblog, etc etc. Furhermore I have never personally bought a car that exceeded its combined EPA gas mileage. So 73 miles for a ceiling is a pretty fair assumption with even the lightest googling. Feeling that 37% more range than what the EPA and the window sticker say is plausible because the salescritter says so isn't good car buying practice. They lied but even cursory research would have made that apparent.
So we have a bunch of reputable organizations not even meeting, let alone exceeding EPA, we have the public EPA figures, and you chose to listen to the used car salesman's input. This is why I have little sympathy. You did poor research and expected more than the number on the sticker. Way, way more. 37% more.
So you're stuck in this crappy situation where you overpaid for a car and believed the salesman over trusted outlets. It's been a year now. You can hem and haw and make all kinds of noise I guess, but I don't know that it will get you anywhere monetarily. I would certainly find it a frustrating use of energy and time. There is nothing the dealer can do for love or money to turn a 2012 Leaf into a 100 mile car even if they wanted to short of exchanging it for a 2016 model and taking a $20,000 hit to their bottom line. I find that a very unlikely outcome.
The people on this forum can help you get the most out of what's in your driveway . The '12 GOM is awful and leafspy will be a massive improvement, giving you confidence to access to a much larger portion of the pack's usable capacity. Your driving style and tire pressure can be adjusted. The heater override can be fitted. These are all inexpensive ways to legitimately improve the usability of your car. That's where I'd divert my energy and then take the lesson to never trust a car dealer again.
Me? I went in knowing more about the product and its competitors than any of the dealers. I expected a max of EPA rated range and expected it to slowly decline over time. Those assumptions have proven accurate and I'm thrilled with my car because I knew exactly what I was getting into.