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Re: Ford announces BEV F150 and Transit van

LeftieBiker wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:00 pm <SIGH>. Not necessarily. Please don't make me follow you around all day, posting that no, the bill isn't dead, just postponed. The odds of it passing were long from Day one.
I'm just going by his own words, and he said the bill is dead.

Are you saying a politician would lie?? 🤔
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Re: Ford announces BEV F150 and Transit van

Manchin has been giving Fox News (?) interviews in which he tells them what their viewers want to hear for quite a while now.
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Re: Ford announces BEV F150 and Transit van

danrjones wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:20 pm Deliveries of the Lightning were officially delayed until next September.
I have seen nothing to indicate delayed deliveries. Where did you see this information? Ford still offically says spring.
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Back on Dec 3rd +/_ there was a bunch of articles. But now there are also articles saying it isn't delayed. I have no idea which it really is, though the info on gouging seems to be valid.
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Ford begins full production of F-150 Lightning electric pickup; planned annual run rate of 150k at Rouge Center
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2022/0 ... tning.html

Ford has begun full production of F-150 Lightning electric pickup at the ultra-modern Rouge Electric Vehicle Center within Ford’s historic Rouge Complex. Ford has 200,000 reservations for the Lightning and is expanding the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center to ramp up production to a planned annual run rate of 150,000 in 2023. . . .

Ford is on track to deliver more than 2 million electric vehicles annually by 2026, equal to about one-third of the company’s global volume, on the way to 50% by 2030.

With acceleration from zero to 60 mph in the mid-4 second range with the extended-range battery, the freedom of a 10-kilowatt smart power plant on wheels, a starting price less than $40,000 before available tax credits and software updates that will make it even better over time, F-150 Lightning is attracting new customers to Ford. . . .

My friend who's been leasing PHEVs for the past 7 or 8 years recently told me he planned to get a Lightning when his current (X5 xDrive 45E) lease is up next year. I asked him why, as although he'd previously told me he was going to get a BEV next time, he has zero need for a pickup or any vehicle that big. Apparently the Lightning falls into a higher weight class that gives him maximum incentives on a business lease. Definitely not what incentives should be encouraging.
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^^^
Yes I remember a similar thing a while back from a couple of neighbors who had normal jobs but also ran side business of some sort. Neither needed more than a car or I suppose small SUV nowadays but both ended up with monster vehicles, one got a 1-ton dully PU with a large diesel engine he loved to warm for what seemed forever on cold mornings :roll: and the other had a Ford Excursion? again 1-ton, SUV and when I asked them why they purchased such large vehicles, they said because they both got large tax breaks and they had to be 1-ton or more!
What you said sounds similar but as the F150 is only a 1/2 ton, it must be a new take on the old rule, I agree, not what tax incentives should be doing, encouraging people to purchase much larger vehicles that they need!
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Here's How Ford's F-150 Lightning Fights Range Anxiety While Towing
Ford claims the 2022 F-150 Lightning's smart technologies can accurately calculate remaining vehicle range using real time conditions.
https://insideevs.com/news/583299/here- ... le-towing/

. . . Ford claims the 2022 F-150 Lightning brings peace of mind to drivers as it can accurately calculate remaining vehicle range using real time conditions.

Three Ford-exclusive technologies work together to make this possible: Intelligent Range, FordPass Power My Trip and the available Onboard Scales. These features are said to give F-150 Lightning customers more accurate vehicle range estimates based on actual towing experiences and real-time energy use. In addition, Trailer Profile remembers their trailer specifics so the system can determine energy use for each trailer used.

The Intelligent Range feature is enhanced to work specifically with the needs of electric truck owners, collecting key vehicle data to determine how much electrical energy drivers are using in real time. This includes traffic speed, ambient temperature, available battery energy, plus driver habits, climate control use and route topography.

Furthermore, the system relies on cloud computing to access data from numerous sources, including Ford electric trucks that have towed on similar roads with similar trailers, resulting in more accurate vehicle range calculations over time, according to Ford.

Intelligent Range can also sample similar towing and energy use situations to further refine range calculations in real time. This happens automatically through the available Ford Onboard Scales feature, which communicates with Intelligent Range.

Ford says the system can be further refined via Ford Power-Up over-the-air software updates over time, as range data improves and the system becomes more robust.

To help drivers plan-out their trips, Ford is also offering the FordPass Power My Trip online mapping system. After the customer inputs their trailer information into Trailer Profile and enters the destination into the Sync 4/4A navigation system or smartphone via the FordPass app, Power My Trip automatically maps their towing route using Intelligent Range; the feature also provides charge points along the way, if needed. . . .

There's a video.
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2022 Ford F-150 Lightning: 320-mile EPA range beats Rivian R1T, efficiency meets it
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... -320-miles

. . . With the optional 131-kwh extended-range battery pack, the Lightning will have 320 miles of range in XLT, Lariat and fleet-only Pro trim. That's better than the "up to 300 miles" Ford discussed when it unveiled the Lightning in 2021. That range estimate shrinks to 230 miles with the 98-kwh standard-range battery pack.

With the addition of MPGe figures, now just posted, it becomes clear that the F-150 Lightning in that top extended-range version achieves the same 70-MPGe (48 kwh/100 mi) rating as the Rivian R1T in its sole version currently available. The F-150 Lightning is more efficient than the R1T in the city cycle. It earns 78/63 MPGe ratings for city/highway, while the R1T earns 74/66 MPGe, respectively.

The high-end F-150 Lightning Platinum, which is only available with the extended-range battery pack, gets a 300-mile range estimate. That exceeds the 280-mile estimate mentioned when Ford first revealed Lightning battery pack details in December 2021.

Ford has said that on a 150-kw DC fast-charger, the Lightning will go from 15% to 80% in 41 minutes with the extended range pack, or 44 minutes with the standard-range pack. On an 80-amp Level 2 charger, it will be able to recover up to 30 miles of range per hour with the larger battery pack. . . .

Also GCR:
Ford F-150 Lightning home power backup system has a price tag, though installation cost will vary
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... -will-vary

. . . Customers wanting to use their pickups as a backup power source will first need the Ford Charge Station Pro, Matthew Stover, the automaker's director of charging and energy services, said in a LinkedIn post. The 80-amp Charge Station Pro comes with versions with the Extended Range pack, but it's $1,310 additional for those with the Standard Range pack.

Then, customers will need the Home Integration System, which connects to the Charge Station Pro. The $3,895 system includes inverter, disconnect switch, and a battery pack (yet unspecified) to allow the functionality. When the power goes out, the system automatically switches over from the grid and begins drawing power from the truck.

The Home Integration System will be sold through Sunrun, with installation costs dependent on a customer's individual home setup, Stover noted. Add maybe $2,000 for installation and the full system will cost less than $6,000 for those getting the Extended Range truck. . . .

With 131 kwh from the Extended Range pack, a Lightning could be enough to provide backup power for large homes for several days. Ford is also studying bidirectional capability, and how such a system might help buffer the grid.

Talked to my friend again. He confirmed that the extended range version he plans to get, along with the V2H package/80A EVSE etc., is heavy enough that it qualifies as a commercial vehicle, and thus he'll get to write the entire cost off.
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Re: Ford announces BEV F150 and Transit van

Just talked with both SunRun and also the largest Ford dealership in Houston (pickup capital of the World :lol: )
SunRun cannot give any details of their Home Integration System unless you have a Lightning reservation.
The Ford dealership does not expect to have any Lightnings delivered in 2022 and possibly 2023 unless through the "reservation" system for "pickup" at the dealership.

Appears Ford/SunRun may have a gold mine if they can actually deliver. Wonder if anyone has actually taken delivery or been given a hard date?
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From InsideEVs:

Highway Ranges
Standard Range (all trims): 201.6 mi (324.4 km)
Extended Range (all trims, except of Platinum): 283.1 mi (455.5 km)
Platinum trim: 267.6 mi (430.6 km)
City Ranges
Standard Range (all trims): 253.2 mi (407.4 km)
Extended Range (all trims, except of Platinum): 350.2 mi (563.5 km)
Platinum trim: 326.5 mi (525.3 km)
https://insideevs.com/news/584918/ford- ... fficiency/

So if I'm on a road trip, that really means I have abut 70% of that highway range to use, or about 198 miles. But really, less, since EPA highway is not 70 mph, and doesn't include terrain. And then Ford says 45 minutes back to 80%. This is likely to be a fantastic in town work truck, but for nearly 80k I wouldn't want it for road trips. YMMV
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