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Re: $35k Model 3 now available

Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:40 pm

Reaching that price point is pretty amazing, but I'm concerned about Tesla's reliability. They seem to be the BMW of the EV market.

However, I'm sure it will sell like crazy as very few people make analytical & objective car buying purchases.

Personally, I'd only consider a Tesla once they iron out, over the next few years, their production and QC issues.
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Re: $35k Model 3 now available

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:18 am

Baltneu wrote:IYou have to ask yourself with the Model 3 at $35K, why would I buy a Leaf SL?
One good reason is ProPilot. On the Leaf SL it’s a $695 option. On the Model 3 you have to buy it as part of AutoPilot, and that’s a $5k option. You can save an additional $2k if you buy the SV instead and add the ProPilot ($2200 on that trim level).

Another reason is Federal Tax Credit. Nissan is still eligible for the full $7500; Tesla’s is now half that. If demand becomes extreme and you can’t take delivery of your new $35k Tesla before July 1, the credit is halved again.

I do hope that Tesla FINALLY releasing the base model will force other manufacturers, particularly GM, to lower their prices.
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Re: $35k Model 3 now available

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:29 am

RonDawg wrote:
Baltneu wrote:IYou have to ask yourself with the Model 3 at $35K, why would I buy a Leaf SL?
One good reason is ProPilot. On the Leaf SL it’s a $695 option. On the Model 3 you have to buy it as part of AutoPilot, and that’s a $5k option.
It was $5K. It's now $3K on the SR for Autopilot.
RonDawg wrote: Another reason is Federal Tax Credit. Nissan is still eligible for the full $7500; Tesla’s is now half that. If demand becomes extreme and you can’t take delivery of your new $35k Tesla before July 1, the credit is halved again.

I do hope that Tesla FINALLY releasing the base model will force other manufacturers, particularly GM, to lower their prices.
Yes on all of the above.

One thing that dismays me is perhaps Model 3 will not (ever?) have a metal roof. When you click on the packages, it says "All Interiors Include:
Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection". I didn't want the glass roof due to folks having cracks in them already. Unclear how many are due to defects vs. design flaw vs. just another vulnerable piece of glass to be struck by debris. I wouldn't want it to be a $ pit once out of warranty for that. Also, Model 3's reliability record is questionable, as are Tesla's, in general, esp. once out of warranty.

Enough folks have had problems like https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ge.131679/ and https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... in.131903/ along stupid design flaws like rain dripping into the trunk when you open it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCv_Ha0oWjE, Model 3 owner at work told me about this well before this video) helps validate what I've seen about Tesla. Their vehicles always seem like rush jobs.

When at least 3 Model S folks on TMC have been thru 7+ drive units and the Model X continues to be a reliability disaster, one has to wonder what their long-term reliability and durabiity testing looks like vs. other automakers: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ing.56176/.

I really hope this thread can be moved or merged.
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Re: $35k Model 3 now available

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:36 am

Give me a tree listing of where it should be, as opposed to where it is now.
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Re: $35k Model 3 now available

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:37 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Give me a tree listing of where it should be, as opposed to where it is now.
Should go into http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewforum.php?f=10 (Board index / Non LEAF Discussions / Other Electric Cars & Plug-In Hybrids) or better yet, merged into http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=18016.

Right now this makes little sense:
"LEAF Ownership
General / Main Owners Forum
General Forum for Leaf Owners to discuss & describe Leaf experience "

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Re: $35k Model 3 now available

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:07 am

Ok, I now know how to do that. I still think a new topic is acceptable, as there are something like 335 pages in the "Official" topic, most of them arguments.
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Re: $35k Model 3 now available

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:10 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Ok, I now know how to do that. I still think a new topic is acceptable, as there are something like 335 pages in the "Official" topic, most of them arguments.
Alrighty...

LOL on the latter. I've been too busy to chime in much today here on and other forums.

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Re: $35k Model 3 now available

Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:08 am

cwerdna wrote:
RonDawg wrote:
Baltneu wrote:IYou have to ask yourself with the Model 3 at $35K, why would I buy a Leaf SL?
One good reason is ProPilot. On the Leaf SL it’s a $695 option. On the Model 3 you have to buy it as part of AutoPilot, and that’s a $5k option.
It was $5K. It's now $3K on the SR for Autopilot..
I’m curious why Tesla is charging so much less on the base model. Is there some sort of reduced functionality? Otherwise I’d expect Tesla to charge MORE, the same way Nissan is charging $2200 for ProPilot on the SV but only $695 on the SL.
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Re: $35k Model 3 now available

Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:13 am

^^^
I haven't checked every single choice at https://3.tesla.com/model3/design#battery, but it looks like autopilot is $3K at time of order, regardless of SR, SR+, MR, LR, or AWD. Prior to the Feb 28th announcement, for all the versions available, I'm fairly sure it was $5K for AP.

It is interesting that "Full Self-Driving Capability" is available again and the capabilities they now claim. Pic of that at https://imgur.com/a/48lgKl9.

Knowing how much Tesla keeps playing w/configs and prices, for all we know, it could be different 3 months from now.

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Re: $35k Model 3 now available

Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:22 am

Most owners of Tesla are very happy with their cars and I am glad they are finally able to offer at a lower price point.
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