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Japanese EV market

Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:36 am

I couldn't find a thread on the Japanese EV market. We can discuss it here.

In 2019, The Japanese Plug-In Electric Car Market Declined Again
https://insideevs.com/news/394406/2019- ... car-sales/
The Japanese plug-in electric car market is in a disappointing stage. After a 7% decrease in 2018, in 2019 sales decreased by another 17% year-over-year to 43,867.

The market share was just 0.8% (compared to 1.0% in 2018, and 1.1% in 2017), which is very low compared to many other countries.

With all the CHAdeMO fast-charging and the island-type of country, we would expect that Japan, an oil importer, would be a leading plug-in car market.
Remember, this is in a country with at least 7600 CHAdeMO chargers per https://www.chademo.com/ vs. 3900 in North America. IIRC, Japan is about 89% the land area of California.

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Re: Japanese EV market

Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:38 am

What are the speculations on the reason(s)?
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Re: Japanese EV market

Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:46 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:38 am
What are the speculations on the reason(s)?
I didn't notice any.

I mentioned in a Tokyo Motor Show 2019 about the Mahle rep I spoke to. IIRC, he said the Japanese weren't willing to buy EVs due to price there. For him, he felt that in the short term (I'm guessing he's talking about next 3 to 5 years), his best bet there is on PHEVs and mild hybrids.

As I think I've mentioned before, it seems parking in Tokyo and big cities in Japan is hard enough to find as it is, let alone parking w/charging. If it's mechanical parking, forget about charging at all there.

I recall on one of my trips there where I went all the way from Nagasaki to Tokyo by train, I recall seeing some of the EVs in more rural/lower population dense areas (e.g. a Leaf in Beppu). I suppose those would be better candidates for an EV since they might have a home and an ability to charge.

I've seen stats like https://www.statista.com/statistics/270 ... -in-japan/ about the % of people who live in "urban" areas but I'm not clear where you draw the line between urban vs. non-urban.

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Re: Japanese EV market

Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:56 am

I guess that it's a magnification of the North American urban EV problem: people can't charge at home because they live in apartments, and in Japanese big cities parking is too dear to include free charging (or any charging) for most as well. I'm thinking that workplace charging isn't the Big Answer there either, because of the mass transit being used heavily. The only solution I can imagine is putting in multiple DCFC stations at every gasoline station...
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Re: Japanese EV market

Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:01 am

I lived in Japan for 3 and a half years seems like the perfect place for electric vehicles.
They have public transportation all the way out to to the remote northern main land. So if you have to go from hachi (the northern tip) to Yokohama it would be easier to leave the car at home. Almost all the population is concentrated to with in 20 or 30 miles of the coast over most of the island. The interior is made up of extremely topographic volcanic terrain left by extinct volcanos, they can barely use it for logging.

In the big city charging may be more difficult due to the extreme density and extreme parking situation.
In practice if your city is too dense electrics or just cars in general are a bad choice, if stuff is too sparse like new Mexico electrics are not a good choice. It's almost like they belong in suburbia with smaller to medium cities very near by.
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Re: Japanese EV market

Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:20 am

The 1st URL had some Japanese plug-in sales numbers.

I found https://www.best-selling-cars.com/japan ... ar-models/. "Best-Selling Car Models in Japan in 2019 (Full Year)" seems to concur with http://www.jada.or.jp/data/month/m-brand-ranking/ if you run it thru Google Translate. That JADA list doesn't include mini cars nor overseas (to Japan) brands.

Nissan Note is the Versa Note in the US. Toyota Aqua is the Prius c in the US. I believe the Toyota Vitz is aka Yaris here. Interesting that the Honda Vezel is apparently the HR-V here. There sure seem to like their boxy vehicles there:
https://global.toyota/en/detail/14142579 about the Toyota Tank and Roomy
https://www.toyotarentacar.net/english/ ... act/p2_12/
https://www.toyotarentacar.net/english/ ... act/p2_11/

A lot of vehicles on the list seem to be minivans or mini-minivans (maybe not quite a microvan) like these kei vans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microvan#Kei_microvans.

I also found https://insideevs.com/news/391926/2019- ... old-japan/ which mentions #38 most popular model, which corresponds with the JADA list.

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Re: Japanese EV market

Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:52 am

This does explain - to some extent - the success of the Note serial plug-less hybrid, although I think that opportunity charging should be an option. I guess that's why the Prime is popular. I was also thinking along the lines of mechanical parking garages with central EVSE units and just shorter charging cables in the parking spaces...
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Re: Japanese EV market

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:10 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:52 am
I was also thinking along the lines of mechanical parking garages with central EVSE units and just shorter charging cables in the parking spaces...
I can't claim to be an authority on car elevators but there are many different types. I found http://www.japanretailnews.com/japan-re ... s-in-japan and https://web-japan.org/trends/11_tech-li ... 70223.html. You can see some more examples at https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... r+elevator.

Here's another https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKWLOptr3sU. Driver gets out of the car at around 2:10 and then she does something to activate the system.

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Re: Japanese EV market

Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:47 am

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Re: Japanese EV market

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:10 pm

Nissan LEAF Experienced A 73% Sales Drop In Japan In January 2020
https://insideevs.com/news/397448/nissa ... uary-2020/
In January, LEAF sales in Japan were extraordinarily low - 753 units, which is 73% less than a year ago (2,833) and the lowest level for January ever.
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On the North American front, Nissan released a short note that - as in the case of many other manufacturers, it - "is moving from monthly to quarterly sales reporting in the U.S. market".

It means that we will not be able to track the results more often than once a quarter.

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