SageBrush
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Re: Gen II End of Lease Options?

Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:52 am

My wife and I have been taking more, and longer, trips in our Tesla Model 3 LR (300+ mile) range car. This is windy season. I've learned the hard way that the more we talk about the nuances of range, the less secure she feels. She wants reassurance and KISS (keep it simple, smarty), not DIY tools or a dive (no matter how shallow) into the why's. The why's cause anxiety because they imply scenarios she may not be able to handle.

Her reflex is to be over-cautious and over-charge which is fine most of the time, but it lessens the convenience and practicality of the car which is its own problem. Fortunately the Tesla has really excellent dynamic range analytics built in so the message has become the following:

1. Tell the car the destination. Make it a habit
2. ALWAYS have a Plan 'B' to add charge, and preferably a Plan 'C' too
3. If the car says estimated destination SOC is below 15%, slow down
4. If the car says estimated destination SOC is below 5% and it is over 50 miles away, bailout to Plan 'B'

Her use of this device is pretty reasonable. She frequently checks the destination SoC until she convinces herself that it is stable. Then she relaxes. This approach could be problematic in a winter storm but we are not taking long drives in those conditions. As she gains experience I think she will adopt my approach of being progressively less cautious, and using up reserve as I near my destination although I still haven't come up with a non-numbers method she will find usable.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

danrjones
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Re: Gen II End of Lease Options?

Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:57 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:04 pm
My housemate once drove my 2013 SV to work and back, in Winter. I set the climate control to a nice low but not too low setting, to give her about a 30% cushion. She turned it off completely after leaving the house, returned with 35% left, and complained about range anxiety. She kept that line up for years: "I just don't think that a BEV is suited to this climate." Then, when her PIP got sick, she started driving my car for trips outside of town. I steered her to an SV+ with a 62kwh pack to be safe, but she stopped having range anxiety after just a couple of trips in my 40kwh SL. People say that 300 miles of range is the magic number to alleviate range anxiety, but I think that all that is required is twice as much range as you need - in her case, about 130 miles.
Range is very much based on what you need.

While the 40 kWh Leaf works great for my wife or I as a daily driver - work or around town, grocery stores, etc... it barely reaches anything outside of town. Palmdale requires 90% of the battery to get to, on a good day. So while we *can* just take our Subaru when we actually want to leave town, it would be "nice" to have an EV that could fulfill more and more of our use cases. I like to go hiking on the weekends. Leaf can't do that. And I have all this free solar energy that would be free fuel if I could utilize more of it. At lunch I was dumping over 7 kW onto the grid.

Not sure what I will trade it in yet for... something late fall or winter. Ariya? Ioniq 5? VW ID4? Audi Q4 Etron? I don't know yet. We shall see what the tax credit is, and who has the best deal.
2018 Leaf SV Pearl White with Tech and All Weather, Purchased New on 5/3/19

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Re: Gen II End of Lease Options?

Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:29 pm

90% of the places we drive are within easy range of the 40kwh Leafs. Of the rest, about half are still doable. That leaves about 5% for which we might need the Plus. The main reason for the bigger pack, for us, is that when she inevitable grows attached to the car, she can buy it and will have enough range for her for the rest of her life.
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Re: Gen II End of Lease Options?

Mon May 17, 2021 12:23 pm

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goldbrick
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Re: Gen II End of Lease Options?

Mon May 17, 2021 6:26 pm

Yep. I'm getting more and more offers to buy my car. They don't state a price but I'm not really interested in selling anyway. Still, it's a nice position to be in.

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Re: Gen II End of Lease Options?

Mon May 17, 2021 7:43 pm

It really paid to take care of my SL and not drive a lot.
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2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 2 lithium E-bicycles.
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