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Kia EV6 beginning to hit dealers in mass now. A nationwide Autotrader search showed the cheapest model is $48k before dealer fees up to an eye watering $72k for a loaded GT AWD model. Seems kinda pricey to me but it looks pretty good. Unfortunately, the Kia dealer network is pretty lame for a variety of reasons.
 
Any ev6 owners on this forum yet?

We may look at one this week. Interesting is that the eMpg rating is nearly identical to the Leaf. The you tubers testing the range have shown range to be a a little weak though. MachE has a much larger battery and appears a modestly longer range in the real world. I wonder if my Leaf training will help me with the perceptions on this car.
 
We tried to go test drive one on Monday, but they were sold before we arrived. I have seen many you tube underwhelmed about the range, saying it's a 200 mile EV. Curious if it feels like any more than a new Leaf or Bolt?

Rear cargo is shaped differently, but same volume as the Leaf.
 
https://jalopnik.com/kia-dealers-are-going-to-kill-the-ev6-1848577923 is really sad, if true. (Whoops, already posted.)

Besides it being a new generation of EV from HyunKia, its DC FC speed (https://insideevs.com/news/550811/kia-ev6-bjorn-1000km-challenge/) dusts that of Bolt (maxes out at 55 kW) and Leaf.

Even if its range falls a little short of Bolt or Leaf, does it matter that much given the DC FC speed as long as there's sufficient infrastructure?
 
cwerdna said:
https://jalopnik.com/kia-dealers-are-going-to-kill-the-ev6-1848577923 is really sad, if true. (Whoops, already posted.)

Besides it being a new generation of EV from HyunKia, its DC FC speed (https://insideevs.com/news/550811/kia-ev6-bjorn-1000km-challenge/) dusts that of Bolt (maxes out at 55 kW) and Leaf.

Even if its range falls a little short of Bolt or Leaf, does it matter that much given the DC FC speed as long as there's sufficient infrastructure?

We also haven't seen the rwd range tested yet. In theory the ev6 and ioniq 5 rwd have nearly 50 miles more of range. Maybe.
 
Always had doubts about claimed range but the reality is its well over 200 miles and has a very good DC speed so it does work. I have yet to see one in person but its definitely a few notches up the financial ladder.
 
Dave

Yeah, that is what kills me. Double the cost of my Leaf at MSRP for the larger battery. Inside is nice and more roomy in the back, but for the handful of times I need to DC charge a year, feels like a huge premium. Very similar to when contemplating a Tesla. Wife really wants AWD, but I think even she was feeling price shock when thinking about the comparative value.
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
Dave

Yeah, that is what kills me. Double the cost of my Leaf at MSRP for the larger battery. Inside is nice and more roomy in the back, but for the handful of times I need to DC charge a year, feels like a huge premium. Very similar to when contemplating a Tesla. Wife really wants AWD, but I think even she was feeling price shock when thinking about the comparative value.

Agreed. I decided LONG ago that I needed to make the LEAF work and it really hasn't been that challenging. This all started a few years ago when EA hamstrung the Chademo dialing it down to 50 kw. As it stands, less than 30% of stations I would likely visit are at 100 kw (or at least advertised as such) so had to make 50 kw work.

Now, I haven't had to do a road trip that has been time sensitive and that is mostly because I simply wouldn't plan it that way. eagerly awaiting EVCS's upgrade to see what speed chademo will run then but looks like that is at least 6 months out, maybe more?
 
On a tangent, I don't recall if this was posted before but the sad part per the survey below taken June and July 2021, 63% of the American surveyed weren't even aware that Nissan offered EVs. The number was 69% for Chevy!

And, 40% were "aware" of Toyota offering EVs even though they weren't selling any BEVs in the US at the time (and even now). Toyota hasn't sold a BEV in the US since the CA compliance car gen 2 Rav4 EV was discontinued (https://insideevs.com/news/321496/tesla-confirms-2014-death-of-toyota-rav4-ev/) in late 2014.

https://insideevs.com/news/568421/ev-brand-awareness-study-usa/
https://www.coxautoinc.com/news/as-more-americans-choose-evs-price-and-range-continue-to-hold-back-the-market-according-to-new-cox-automotive-study/
https://www.coxautoinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021-Cox-Automotive-Path-to-EV-Adoption-Study-Highlights.pdf
 
danrjones said:
cwerdna said:
https://jalopnik.com/kia-dealers-are-going-to-kill-the-ev6-1848577923 is really sad, if true. (Whoops, already posted.)

Besides it being a new generation of EV from HyunKia, its DC FC speed (https://insideevs.com/news/550811/kia-ev6-bjorn-1000km-challenge/) dusts that of Bolt (maxes out at 55 kW) and Leaf.

Even if its range falls a little short of Bolt or Leaf, does it matter that much given the DC FC speed as long as there's sufficient infrastructure?

We also haven't seen the rwd range tested yet. In theory the ev6 and ioniq 5 rwd have nearly 50 miles more of range. Maybe.


Via IEVS, some limited, projected RWD range info:
2022 Kia EV6 Long Range RWD Review: Hard To Not Like
The establishment has finally produced a Tesla killer.... well, almost.

https://insideevs.com/reviews/561046/kia-ev6-review-road-test/


. . . When I got the car from Kia, it was charged to 100 percent, and with outside temperatures hovering around freezing, it displayed 355 km (220 miles). I adjusted the climate settings, put the vehicle in Eco mode and drove it for a bit and then it jumped to 412 km (256 miles), before starting to decrease normally.

The second number is really impressive given the fact that the EV6 LR RWD has a claimed range of 528 km (328 miles) on the WLTP test cycle. Based on the experience of driving this example in winter, it seems like you can get around 500 km (310 miles) on one charge in this vehicle if you drive it in warmer weather, although not in the middle of summer when you will have to use a lot of juice to cool the cabin. . . .


Also IEVS:
US: Kia EV6 Entered The Market In February With A Sales Splash
More than 2,000 units were delivered in the first month.

https://insideevs.com/news/570738/us-kia-ev6-sales-february2022/

Kia America reports 49,182 car sales in the US in February, which is a 2.3% increase year-over-year.

Last month, the South Korean brand started sales of the all-new Kia EV6 model, which right away reached 2,125 units. That's a really good result that represented 4.3% of the total volume.

Unfortunately, the manufacturer does not report sales of other all-electric or plug-in hybrid models, as they are counted together with conventional or non-rechargeable hybrids. What we do know is that in recent months, the Kia Niro EV sales oscillated around 1,000 per month.

In general, with the launch of the EV6, Kia's electrification takes off quickly and the manufacturer says that February 2022 is the new record month. Last month, xEVs (BEVs, PHEVs, HEVs) share amounted to 13% (or about 6,400). . . .



One last article from IEVS:
Kia EV6 Is The Car Of The Year 2022
With so many rave reviews under its belt, we can’t say we’re surprised.

https://insideevs.com/news/570733/kia-ev6-coty-2022-winner/


This is apparently a European award. I haven't seen an EV6 or Ioniq 5 yet, but I expect I will in the next month or two.
 
I've only skimmed https://www.autoguide.com/car-comparisons/kia-ev6-vs-hyundai-ioniq-5-comparison-sibling-rivalry (Kia EV6 vs Hyundai Ioniq 5 Comparison: Sibling Rivalry).
 
I'd seen 3 Ioniq 5s over the past month or two, but no EV6s, then saw two in the past few days. Although it does look quite good it's a bit too much emphasis of form over function for my taste in a CUV, and I prefer the Ioniq 5's looks (and more importantly, rear view). The comparo that cwerdna posted a link to shows that there are features of each car that make me prefer one over the other, but also features of each that rule them out for me, which is too damned bad as these two '800V' cars are the first such BEVs that could at least minimally meet my requirements for road trips, and which would be okay for weekend trips.

Be that as it may they share powertrains, and an EV6 just popped up on Turo in the Bay Area, accessible to me by BART and foot. I have four friends who are all interested in going BEV/PHEV/FCEV in the not-too distant future and to whom I'd mentioned this as an option, so I was going to rent it for a day (Thursday afternoon - Friday ditto) and give them all a chance to look one over/test drive it this coming Thursday when we're planning to get together to watch the Warriors game. Then the owner cancelled the booking, as he'd forgotten to limit the listing to Friday evenings - Sunday afternoons only, and that rules out most of my friends. Aargh!
 
The comparo that cwerdna posted a link to shows that there are features of each car that make me prefer one over the other, but also features of each that rule them out for me, which is too damned bad as these two '800V' cars are the first such BEVs that could at least minimally meet my requirements for road trips, and which would be okay for weekend trips.

I am shocked. Shocked, I say...
 
LeftieBiker said:
The comparo that cwerdna posted a link to shows that there are features of each car that make me prefer one over the other, but also features of each that rule them out for me, which is too damned bad as these two '800V' cars are the first such BEVs that could at least minimally meet my requirements for road trips, and which would be okay for weekend trips.

I am shocked. Shocked, I say...

Your winnings, sir.😁

While it was clear that neither of these cars were capable of meeting my needs for the long term*, and they're larger and more expensive than I want in any case, I had considered leasing even though I know that makes little sense financially. Unfortunately, a couple of features rule them out even for that for me. I'll still be willing to rent a BEV for a weekend now and then while awaiting events. I'm moderately encouraged by these two '800V' cars, as where the Koreans have gone others will follow.

* I and several of my friends consider cars to be durable goods, and expect to keep them around a couple of decades - two of my friends who are interested are looking to replace a 1998 RAV4 and a 2002 CR-V, so my 2003 Forester is the baby of the bunch.😆 So we're all pickier than we would be if we flipped cars at short intervals. It's similar to the difference between what you're willing to put up with for a date or two vs. a marriage.
 
I stumbled across https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tDQBbMC0ak on CNN. I hadn't realized it was their Super Bowl ad, or maybe a shorter version of it.
 
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