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Re: Living in Apartment Building - Charging questions

Stop being churlish, please. That was uncalled for.
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Re: Living in Apartment Building - Charging questions

alozzy wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:23 am I should also add that BC has a lot of older LEAFs on the road.
This is true. I have seen nearly as many Leafs as Teslas (a ratio of maybe 3 teslas to a Leaf, and it is usually older Leafs), which is interesting because I didn't know so many people could afford 60,000CAD cars.
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Re: Living in Apartment Building - Charging questions

SageBrush wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:47 am If you are so keen to compare to petrol, then pay petrol rates
Thank you for strengthening my argument - that's why I recommended to the OP to sell his LEAF, if his "go to" charging option is DC fast charging. Thanks to this pricing scheme, BC Hydro has made an older EV a poor choice for anyone who can't charge at home. Fortunately, I have that luxury and so I rarely charge at DC fast chargers, but it's an older EV or an ICE for most moderate income earners.

I would definitely sell my LEAF and go back to an ICE, if I had to DC fast charge frequently. I can't afford a modern EV, neither can most people who aren't in the top 10% of income earners.

Despite their political spin of being in favor of EV adoption, BC Hydro has all but assured that, for moderate income British Columbians who live in an apartment or townhouse complex with no EV charging facilities, buying an EV is a bad decision.
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Re: Living in Apartment Building - Charging questions

alozzy wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:34 pm
SageBrush wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:47 am If you are so keen to compare to petrol, then pay petrol rates
Thank you for strengthening my argument - that's why I recommended to the OP to sell his LEAF, if his "go to" charging option is DC fast charging. Thanks to this pricing scheme, BC Hydro has made an older EV a poor choice for anyone who can't charge at home. Fortunately, I have that luxury and so I rarely charge at DC fast chargers, but it's an older EV or an ICE for most moderate income earners.

I would definitely sell my LEAF and go back to an ICE, if I had to DC fast charge frequently. I can't afford a modern EV, neither can most people who aren't in the top 10% of income earners.

Despite their political spin of being in favor of EV adoption, BC Hydro has all but assured that, for moderate income British Columbians who live in an apartment or townhouse complex with no EV charging facilities, buying an EV is a bad decision.
Thankfully, by the look of it, we drive little enough that we wont need to DC fast charge all the time, rather only for long commutes. Level 2 seems to fit our needs for now, and there's still the chance we will be charging from home at a point in the near future. :D
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Re: Living in Apartment Building - Charging questions

Jctz1 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:43 pm
Thankfully, by the look of it, we drive little enough that we wont need to DC fast charge all the time, rather only for long commutes. Level 2 seems to fit our needs for now, and there's still the chance we will be charging from home at a point in the near future. :D
Sorry for the somewhat off topic stuff, Sagebrush likes to label me as a cheapskate for railing against time based charging. For any Telsa owner like him, it's a great deal, as he can charge at much higher L3 rates than we can with our older LEAFs and so therefore he pays far less per kWh than we do. He thinks that's all fair and good, I obviously disagree.
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Re: Living in Apartment Building - Charging questions

alozzy wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:34 pm Despite their political spin of being in favor of EV adoption, BC Hydro has all but assured that, for moderate income British Columbians who live in an apartment or townhouse complex with no EV charging facilities, buying an EV is a bad decision.
Lucky for BC, not all the populace share your views or have your facility with arithmetic.

And beyond the savings in fuel, there are other substantial EV advantages:

Much less noise pollution
Much less air pollution
Much less global warming
Much better driving experience
Better reliability
Savings in maintenance

Heck, there are even people who prefer a better EV over a diesel motorhome. There are even people like OP who are willing to accept inconvenience in order to drive EV. So you see, your stance that you have to be patted on the back and be given money to not be a blight on society is not universal.
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Re: Living in Apartment Building - Charging questions

Lucky for BC, not all the populace share your views or have your facility with arithmetic.

And beyond the savings in fuel, there are other substantial EV advantages:

Much less noise pollution
Much less air pollution
Much less global warming
Much better driving experience
Better reliability
Savings in maintenance

Heck, there are even people who prefer a better EV over a diesel motorhome.
Lucky for you, you're an entitled old curmudgeon who doesn't know what it means to live within a budget. Enjoy your fancy Tesla, but don't delude yourself that you're some sort of champion for the environment. I drive an old LEAF for those same aspects and I make no apologies for railing against time based charging.

Mass adoption of EVs will never happen if charging costs as much or more than gas. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
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Re: Living in Apartment Building - Charging questions

alozzy wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:54 pm Sagebrush likes to label me as a cheapskate for railing against time based charging.
Not quite. I label you self-centered for not being able to see that the majority of EVs on the roads of BC are getting a very good DC charging deal, and that fraction is increasing by the day. And when you go off the deep end and label BC hydro pejoratively because little you is not being showered with government subsidy, I change your label to a self-centered little p***k. Do I remember correctly that you run around in a diesel motorhome ? If so, your label needs an upgrade.

We do agree on one thing though: choosing an old LEAF that requires DC charging requires a special commitment to EVs. Good for OP !
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Re: Living in Apartment Building - Charging questions

Last informal warning, Sagebrush. If you can't argue without attacking, then perhaps you should find a troll-infested site that's more your style.
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Re: Living in Apartment Building - Charging questions

@SageBush

No idea where you are getting the notion that I own a diesel motorhome - I don't own any kind of motorhome - I do all my camping in a tent, if you know what one of those is. Nice try though.

I'm tired of your BS though, back on the foe list you go.
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