InsideEVs Apr 2023: "We are not too optimistic about the Leaf."

[SageBrush]

https://insideevs.com/news/664799/2023- ... epa-range/

The article tl;dr is that without the Fed EV credit, the 60 kWh LEAF at 212 miles EPA range MSRP is the same cost as the 272 EPA mile range Tesla Model 3.

The LEAF could barely (to the tune of about 800 cars a month in the USA during Q1 2023) compete with the Tesla Model 3 when Nissan had the EV tax credit. Unless Nissan and it's dealerships drop the price some $4,000, I'm hard pressed to imagine triple digit monthly sales.

[LeftieBiker]

My feeling is that when older Americans finally feel that it's time to get an EV, that they will, if given the chance, choose the Leaf over the Model 3 three to one. The irony is that by then, the Leaf will likely be gone.

[SageBrush]

It is going to take some very talented marketing folks to turn that thought into a successful advert

"Spend your final years in comfort"

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Joking aside, my wife is not a fan of Tesla Model 3 ownership because she views the car as expensive show toy rather than unsentimental appliance, but she raves about its comfort.

[SageBrush]

Lefty got me to thinking about how to market to the very old. How about

The camera zooms in to the smiling face of a Senior being wheel chaired towards a LEAF

The voice-over: "Going to sign ADVANCE DIRECTIVES does not have to be painful. Get your BRAND NEW LEAF today, time is running out."

[WetEV]

My feeling is that when older Americans finally feel that it's time to get an EV, that they will, if given the chance, choose the Leaf over the Model 3 three to one. The irony is that by then, the Leaf will likely be gone.

Yes, I agree.

I'm hoping for a major refresh rather than an end. Cost reduce and/or upgrades.

My 90+ year old dad in Colorado drives a 40kWh LEAF. Battery is very likely to outlive him. Never once quick charged, so not any rapidgate worries. Unlike the Model 3, easy to get in and out. Buttons rather than touch screen. Loves it.

[SageBrush]

My 90+ year old dad in Colorado drives a 40kWh LEAF.

That is awesome.

No doubt that older people (and lots of younger people) like higher cars. That is one of the things that has made our Chevy Bolt a wife favorite. The Tesla Model Y split the difference by raising the seats but mostly leaving the car at the same height as the Model 3. It seems like a dumb marketing ploy but it sure does sell.

[Toby]

The leaf has front doors that open wide and comfortable seats at a easy height. That makes it ideal for older people to get in or out and a pleasant ride. We shopped around and rejected the Bolt, Kona and others as uncomfortable and awkward. We love our Leaf.

[johnlocke]

Leaf will be phased out in favor of the Ariya. Ariya will be built in the US and qualify for the EV incentives. If the leaf survives at all it will be as a Japanese only brand. The leaf is too expensive without the EV incentives and lacks the range to compete with newer EV's

[SageBrush]

Leaf will be phased out in favor of the Ariya. Ariya will be built in the US and qualify for the EV incentives.

Why would a US built Ariya qualify but a US built LEAF not ?

[WetEV]

Leaf will be phased out in favor of the Ariya. Ariya will be built in the US and qualify for the EV incentives.

Why would a US built Ariya qualify but a US built LEAF not ?

Battery materials.