San Francisco Bay Area Quick Chargers Getting them sooner

[kevini]

Interesting, it seems to be an AV DCFC per the picture, that will be a first for this area.

I will definitely use it, getting to Napa currently for me is doable but this makes it much quicker.

[GRA]

Per Plugshare, there will soon be a CHAdeMO in Pt. Reyes Station! I've been lobbying Coulomb and Ecotality to put one in the town for a couple of years to enable access to all of Pt. Reyes as well as Tomales Bay and Hwy 1 north, but it appears this one will be by somebody else and will include a CREDIT CARD READER. It won't be cheap, $0.79/kWh, but it's there along with L2 at $0.39/kWh. See

http://sunspeedenterprises.com/our-network/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Someone besides Tesla finally seems to be listening to EV owners.

[edatoakrun]

Livermore EVGO DC up and running, as reported on plugshare, which should help give South bay LEAFs a more direct route east.

EVGo's own map also shows a second DC coming to Vacaville soon.

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We are now seeing the DC network extend beyond the Bay area, of course.

Anyone heard anything about the San Joaquin Valley between (Nissan) Elk Grove and (DC being installed at Nissan) Bakersfield? I'd sure like to see one in the Stockton area, to get me closer to Yosemite.

I expect we'll have to wait for the EVGO stations to finish connecting the Bay area to SoCal.

[planet4ever]

Anyone heard anything about the San Joaquin Valley between (Nissan) Elk Grove and (DC being installed at Nissan) Bakersfield?

When they do, I hope they focus on Ca-99 rather than I-5. Fresno (pop >500,000) is a lot more important than Coalinga (pop <15,000). Ca-152 is also important, as the route to anywhere in the southern two-thirds of the San Joaquin Valley from Silicon Valley.

Ray

[jsongster]

I completely agree that 99 is preferable to i5... more things to do... serves local populations better... our state should install free dc at all rest stops too. Finish the west coast electric highway!

[GRA]

I completely agree that 99 is preferable to i5... more things to do... serves local populations better... our state should install free dc at all rest stops too. Finish the west coast electric highway!

While I'm in agreement with you and Ray that QCs belong along 99 and not I-5, the range of current (non-Tesla) BEVs is just too short to justify putting them at rest stops. Very few people will choose to drive anywhere in their BEV that requires more than one enroute QC (each way), so realistically that limits a car like the LEAF's practical radius to maybe 125 miles. That makes putting them along Hwy 99 to enable travel to the next city but one valuable, but it doesn't justify trying to drive to Oregon or Reno from the Bay Area, stopping for a QC every 40-50 miles. Almost anyone with a choice will take a car on such routes that doesn't waste so much of their time.

[DaveinOlyWA]

We have dozens who do exactly that. A 200 - 300 mile trip is not unusual when there are chargers every 25-30 miles

[TimLee]

... our state should install free dc at all rest stops too. Finish the west coast electric highway!

... the range of current (non-Tesla) BEVs is just too short to justify putting them at rest stops. Very few people will choose to drive anywhere in their BEV that requires more than one enroute QC (each way), so realistically that limits a car like the LEAF's practical radius to maybe 125 miles. ... it doesn't justify trying to drive to Oregon or Reno from the Bay Area, stopping for a QC every 40-50 miles. Almost anyone with a choice will take a car on such routes that doesn't waste so much of their time.

We have dozens who do exactly that. A 200 - 300 mile trip is not unusual when there are chargers every 25-30 miles

GRA is correct that MOST people's typical use of a LEAF will be less than 125 miles per day. DaveinOlyWA is correct that there are dozens of LEAF owners that have done 200 - 300 mile trips.
But I believe those dozens are a very small percentage of people using LEAFs

But not having DCQC available closely spaced along routes between cities that are only 100 to 200 miles apart is a very bad thing for LEAF range EVs.
The LEAF needs frequently spaced DCQC with at least two DCQC at each location along all major interconnection routes between cities.
To not have that is a huge negative.

Most people want the LEAF to be able to make that trip, although it likely will usually be only once or maybe twice per year. People do not want the only way to make that trip to be hopping between RV parks with a 240V portable EVSE.

The problem with eV Project funded DCQC in TN is that they are too far apart to support the LEAF range at 65 mph with hardly any LEAF battery capacity degradation, and there is only one DCQC at each location. DCQC lengthy time to get a repair done has shown each location needs at least two DCQC.
The Tesla model is correct.
But with the LEAF range, the DCQC spacing needs to be no farther apart than 35 miles, and at least two DCQC at each location.

[DaveEV]

We have dozens who do exactly that. A 200 - 300 mile trip is not unusual when there are chargers every 25-30 miles

GRA is correct that MOST people's typical use of a LEAF will be less than 125 miles per day. DaveinOlyWA is correct that there are dozens of LEAF owners that have done 200 - 300 mile trips.
But I believe those dozens are a very small percentage of people using LEAFs

But not having DCQC available closely spaced along routes between cities that are only 100 to 200 miles apart is a very bad thing for LEAF range EVs.
The LEAF needs frequently spaced DCQC with at least two DCQC at each location along all major interconnection routes between cities.
To not have that is a huge negative.

+1 everywhere there, Tim. Failing having redundant QCs at a single location, there should be another QC within 5 miles and also multiple J1772 stations available too (for non-QC vehicles, backup and longer term parking).

For example, I will drive from San Diego out past Julian (a popular destination) occasionally which is over 50 miles but uphill so I need to charge. There's one very well placed Blink QC on the route just short of the last climb into Julian (Santa Ysabel for the locals), but it's had reliability issues. The L2 stations there have been down for months. The only other stations nearby is 15 miles earlier up the road in Ramona - 3 Blink L2 stations - but reliability there has been iffy, too.

Ideally there'd be QC stations in both spots along with multiple L2 stations for backup/PHEV charging. But as it is now, I'd be very hesitant to make the trip. Heck - if I could simply know when the last time a station was successfully used, that would give me much greater confidence when traveling out in areas where there may not be much available in the way of backup charging.

[edatoakrun]

Email from NRG, with a few new stations updated, and 22 more mentioned as in-process.:

Greetings!


We're happy to announce that our commitment to electric vehicle charging in California is at full speed. At NRG eVgo, our goal is to make EV charging easy - because it really is!


19 Freedom Station® Sites Now Open

or Under Construction

BTW, this is only the beginning!

We have another 22 station permits under evaluation by the responsible permitting jurisdiction, and hope to get these into construction in the near future.



These stations have Level 2 and DC fast chargers and are conveniently located in major retail centers. Here's an update on what we have been working on to make the most of your electric fueling experience.



San Francisco Bay Area



Now Open - Find a Station

Whole Foods - 2001 Market Street, San Francisco, CA, 94114
Westlake Shopping Center - 247 Lake Merced Blvd, Daly City, CA, 94015
Public Market - 5959 Shellmound, Emeryville, CA, 94608
Northgate Mall - 5800 Northgate Mall, San Rafael, CA, 94903
Whole Foods - 3111 Mowry Ave, Freemont, CA, 94538
Vacaville Premium Outlets - 321 Nut Tree Road, Suite 2, Vacaville, CA, 956
Livermore Premium Outlets - 2774 Paragon Outlets Drive, Livermore, CA, 94551
Under Construction

Walgreens - 1175 Columbus Ave, San Francisco, CA, 94133
Whole Foods- 790 De Long Ave, Novato, CA 94945


San Diego



Now Open - Find a Station

Fashion Valley Mall - 7007 Friars RoadParking Deck D, San Diego, CA, 92108
Las Americas Premium Outlets - 4211 Camino de la Plaza, San Diego, CA, 92173
Flower Hill Promenade - 2730 Via De La Valle, Del Mar, CA, 92014
Carlsbad Premium Outlets - 5620 Paseo Del Norte, Carlsbad, CA, 92008
Broadway Plaza - 1142 Broadway, Chula Vista, CA, 91911
Under Construction

Diane Village Shopping Center - 4760 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, San Diego, CA, 92117
Rancho Penasquitos Towne Center- 13255 Black Mountain Rd, San Diego, CA, 92129
Del Norte Plaza - 322 West El Norte Parkway, Escondido, CA 92026
Los Angeles



Now Open - Find a Station

Camarillo Premium Outlets - 990 Camarillo Center Dr., Camarillo, CA, 93010
Under Construction

Walgreens - 18568 Ventura Boulevard, Tarzana, CA, 91356