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I certainly do not need to be re-educated or reassess my needs. I have already stated my needs. Now it's up to the manufacturers to produce a product that meets my needs. I don't adjust my needs for any manufacturer. It's up to the manufacturer to build a product that meets MY needs, not the...

I'm patient to a point, but 5 years and a measly 6kWh gain? Are you serious? Should have been a 5 to 10kWh gain every year over the last 5 years. That's more realistic. So in that case the battery should be up to 50 kWh to 75 kWh. That I could accept. I can't accept 6 kWh increase in 5...

Well then EV's are a long ways away from taking over the ICE vehicles which is the whole point of an EV. To get vehicles off of gas. You have to please the general public to get them to buy your product. That's what I expect in an EV and pretty much everyone I know. Actually 200 miles I...

I guess you missed the word "realistic" in my post. A Tesla, even though is a very nice car is just way out of reach for the average person. So Tesla at this point is not an option unless your going to buy it for me cause I certainly can't even afford a CPO used one. Maybe half of what the...

I would be in a "no way" category for the 30kWh version of the leaf. Leased a 2012 for two years which I turned back in at the end of February and don't miss it at all. They introduced the Leaf in 2011 with a 24 kWh battery and 5 years later the best they can do is increase it by 6 kWh...

See that's where we differ. I do care if it has a TMS because it HAS to for me to own or lease another one. I am not one to be cold. I can take heat much more than I can take cold so I still think they have done absolutely nothing to help range in the cold. I could really care less what they...

Honestly I think they did omit it for two reasons. Yes it will add cost to the vehicle and they were/are trying to minimize cost to keep the overall cost of the vehicle down even though I really don't think adding the TMS back in would drive the cost up that much and second simplicity. They...

The thing is that I'm trying to express is You can afford an electric car with a TMS if Nissan was to make one. It really can't be that expensive nor complicated to liquid heat/cool a battery. The most complicated part of the whole system would be setting up the battery to be liquid...

Sorry I don't agree that there are any other/better options than TMS. My mind is made up that TMS is the best way to properly manage not only battery longevity but also alot better cold climate capabilities. Nobody or no article is going to change my mind. I will not ever own another EV...

100 % disagree here. I'm not talking about the stupid complete worthless waist of time "battery warmer" joke Nissan put in there to prevent the battery from bricking in really cold temps. That's the most stupid idea I have ever heard. With that said, Nissan hasn't addressed the issue. What I'm...

Yeah that's true. I'm not totally against Nissan Except for their complete ignorance when it comes to cold weather. I still think Nissan made a huge mistake not adding a TMS on the battery to warm it in cold weather. The only improvement they have made in almost 5 years of Leaf's is adding a...

Yeah in my dreams. Tesla is just too expensive. I won't be looking at Tesla till they bring out the Model 3 and then it will still probably have to be a basic no option car for me to afford one. Until they can get these electric cars that are actually useable unlike the Leaf down to a...

I also jumped ship after my 2 year lease on a 2012 SL. Nissan may be the first one to market with a mass produced all electric car, but in my opinion fell short on alot of things. In my opinion they rushed it out to be first, instead should have taken more time to bring a better product to...

I do know that Gasoline cars also loose fuel economy in the winter. I've been around cars long enough to pretty much fully understand most of the workings of them thanks to not being rich so when something breaks, I fix it. I still believe though that if Nissan would warm the battery, the...

Yes I'm aware that the 2013 + models have the better heater, but still not good enough for me. I'm not interested in another EV till they get 200 + miles per charge at highway speeds and running climate control, and have liquid heating and cooling on the battery. I will not lease/buy another...

Well my Leaf is gone. Turned her back into the dealer. It was a learning curve but now I know what an electric car has to have for me to buy. The Leaf isn't even close to meeting my criteria so no more for me until they make big drastic changes to it. I'm back to ICE for now and not...

One more week with this POS. Man I'm counting down the days and to add fuel to the fire, I'm going back to a '99 Dodge Ram 4x4 pickup with a 5.9L in it and am actually looking forward to it. At least in my truck I can go further than 40 to 50 miles and have all the heat I want. This car is...

Nissan needs to experiment with a TMS on their batteries. That would be a much better idea to be spending R&D funds on rather than glow in the dark paint. Now I see where Nissan's priorities really are and they aren't in the right places.

Personally I think 200 miles is still too low. I think they need to be shooting closer to 300 miles to match an ICE counterpart. Why? Road trips. When I buy a car, I want to be able to jump in it and go wherever I want like I do an ICE car including long distance road trips. 200 miles "what...

I promise this will be my last post containing to this topic. At this point, I think we are just beating a dead horse because I don't agree with your views. I personally will never see a benefit or technology better than climate controlling the battery in ALL environments. I just don't see...