DaveinOlyWA
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LeftieBiker said:Yeah, we'll probably get the NISMO 40kwh Leaf since it's just an option package, and no 60kwh with TMS version.
Initial reports suggest we call it "tMS" :?
LeftieBiker said:Yeah, we'll probably get the NISMO 40kwh Leaf since it's just an option package, and no 60kwh with TMS version.
eplus said:Latest e-Plus news:
Debut set for CES on 1/8/2019
On sale in Europe 5/2019 (no dates for other markets)
5800 Euro for the upgrade
60 kWh LG Chem battery
100 kWh charging capacity
149 kW performance
No liquid cooling
CHAdeMO
I'm not familiar with this news outlet, but if they have a good rep...
https://www.electrive.com/2018/12/04/exclusive-long-range-leaf-to-debut-without-liquid-cooling
DaveinOlyWA said:A well designed heat exchanger that aids in cabin heating during Winter and uses a dedicated conditioned air system in Summer can easily do the trick. TBH, I wonder why no one has done this yet?
BrockWI said:DaveinOlyWA said:A well designed heat exchanger that aids in cabin heating during Winter and uses a dedicated conditioned air system in Summer can easily do the trick. TBH, I wonder why no one has done this yet?
Isn't that was the Model 3 has? I believe also the Niro and Kona?
Does the Bolt use the same heat pump as well for cabin and battery TMS?
DaveinOlyWA said:A well designed heat exchanger that aids in cabin heating during Winter and uses a dedicated conditioned air system in Summer can easily do the trick. TBH, I wonder why no one has done this yet?
BrockWI said:Ah yes, I believe they are all water cooled, not air cooled. I was just thinking if it shared the same compressor, I believe the S & X use a separate compressor for pack TMS, but the 3, Bolt, Niro and Kona share the compressor, but use liquid cooling. Someone chime in if that isn't correct.
eplus said:With the delay in the reveal, and the deadline for turining in my current car being the end of the year, do y’all have any suggestions? I know we don’t know what all the 60 kWh version will have but based on what we know, I have to decide something soon, so any help is very appreciated. What would you do?
Go with 40 kWh version
Do long term car rental
Takeover someone’s lease that has 6 months or less remaining
Go with gasoline car and go electric later (not a fan of this idea)
I need to be practical and economical but don’t want to buy a gasoline car to keep for years. I’m not a fan of the Bolt’s styling.
HerdingElectrons said:What is your max daily mileage needs? Would you ever try to do distance driving in a 40kWh or 60kWh Leaf or would you rent/borrow a ICE vehicle?
eplus said:With the delay in the reveal, and the deadline for turining in my current car being the end of the year, do y’all have any suggestions? I know we don’t know what all the 60 kWh version will have but based on what we know, I have to decide something soon, so any help is very appreciated. What would you do?
Go with 40 kWh version
Do long term car rental
Takeover someone’s lease that has 6 months or less remaining
Go with gasoline car and go electric later (not a fan of this idea)
I need to be practical and economical but don’t want to buy a gasoline car to keep for years. I’m not a fan of the Bolt’s styling.
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/07/nissan-leaf-e-plus-possible-reveal-ces-rumor/Nissan Leaf E-Plus may be revealed at CES, rumor has it
All unsubstantiated for now, but CES intro would make sense. If the rumor about lack of liquid cooling is accurate, then I think Nissan has just killed the LEAF in most of North America and similar climates. Some customers will accept that, but probably not many current LEAF owners who've experienced degradation and who will likely move on to other makes.We were hoping to see the new, longer-range Nissan Leaf EV last week at the 2018 Los Angeles Auto Show. That version's debut, expected sometime this year with a 60-kWh battery, a range of around 225 miles and the name "E-Plus," was delayed due to the swarm of news surrounding the arrest of Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn. Nissan said it delayed the reveal "to ensure that this important product unveiling could receive the coverage it merits." With the Ghosn news flurry dying down, we now hear a rumor from German outlet Electrive that the 60-kWh Nissan Leaf will get its official, public unveiling at the 2019 Consumer Electronics Show CES in Las Vegas this January.
Electrive reports that the information comes from an event for Nissan dealers earlier this week. The outlet also says there was buzz about the 60-kWh battery still lacking liquid cooling. With the current 40-kWh version, customers complained of slower charging speeds that resulted when repeatedly using fast chargers on long trips. The reduced speeds were caused by the thermal management software lowering charging speed to keep heat down and protect the battery from degradation. . . .
The trends I'm seeing are that lots of Leafers have abandoned Leaf and moved onto other makes starting awhile ago (trend really picked up once Bolt came out). Seems lots were getting replaced with Bolts and an increasing set have jumped to Teslas, esp. the 3. Off the top of my head, I can personally think of 3 that jumped to Bolt (person next door, person two doors away from me, a woman at my work) and at least two that jumped to Tesla (two folks here on MNL). I don't believe the first two folks jumped to Bolt due to degradation or thermal management.GRA said:All unsubstantiated for now, but CES intro would make sense. If the rumor about lack of liquid cooling is accurate, then I think Nissan has just killed the LEAF in most of North America and similar climates. Some customers will accept that, but probably not many current LEAF owners who've experienced degradation and who will likely move on to other makes.
For the general public, perhaps the only thing hindering sales is the ~151 mile range. The longer range LEAF will have active cooling if it has the fan that's been mentioned.LeftieBiker said:I think that what it will kill is the new Leaf sales market. People will still lease them, and still buy them used at a good price. What they won't do is buy the car new. Nissan will back off on production here, and it will, instead of starting as a compliance car, end as one.
eplus said:The longer range LEAF will have active cooling if it has the fan that's been mentioned.
For whatever reason, Nissan seems to be referring to it as active. This is where I read/heard that:WetEV said:A fan isn't active cooling.
I am one who jumped ship due to battery capacity loss. After 6.5 years in Los Angeles my Leaf lost 30% of capacity and was of significantly less usefulness. Gave it to my nephew in Seattle to use for his short commute. Bought a 2013 model S85 which had 95% of its original capacity (250 miles from a range charge). After 17 months of use there is no discernible further capacity loss. Assuming everything else holds up I can probably drive my Tesla for another 15+ years.cwerdna said:The trends I'm seeing are that lots of Leafers have abandoned Leaf and moved onto other makes starting awhile ago (trend really picked up once Bolt came out). Seems lots were getting replaced with Bolts and an increasing set have jumped to Teslas, esp. the 3. Off the top of my head, I can personally think of 3 that jumped to Bolt (person next door, person two doors away from me, a woman at my work) and at least two that jumped to Tesla (two folks here on MNL). I don't believe the first two folks jumped to Bolt due to degradation or thermal management.
Regarding the first three folks, they the first two were definitely leasing their Leafs and just returned them. The woman I think was, as well. Her commute was pretty far (mostly highway, as well) so she had to charge on both ends to make it in her 24 kWh Leaf. Roundtrip was basically impossible unless she hypermiled and took a non-highway alternative. So, getting a Bolt enabled her to have a lot more cushion and make the roundtrip w/o needing to charge on both ends. Also, I think when she got the Bolt, the '18 Leaf wasn't shipping yet.cwerdna said:The trends I'm seeing are that lots of Leafers have abandoned Leaf and moved onto other makes starting awhile ago (trend really picked up once Bolt came out). Seems lots were getting replaced with Bolts and an increasing set have jumped to Teslas, esp. the 3. Off the top of my head, I can personally think of 3 that jumped to Bolt (person next door, person two doors away from me, a woman at my work) and at least two that jumped to Tesla (two folks here on MNL). I don't believe the first two folks jumped to Bolt due to degradation or thermal management.GRA said:All unsubstantiated for now, but CES intro would make sense. If the rumor about lack of liquid cooling is accurate, then I think Nissan has just killed the LEAF in most of North America and similar climates. Some customers will accept that, but probably not many current LEAF owners who've experienced degradation and who will likely move on to other makes.
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