Nubo
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danrjones said:Good luck fire roasting peppers on an electric stove!
I've had pretty good luck cutting in half and using a cast iron pan. Or two pans, by laying a heated pan on top to help flatten for maximum contact.
danrjones said:Good luck fire roasting peppers on an electric stove!
LeftieBiker said:Would I give them up to save the world? Probably. But don't deny the fact that gas has advantages. Almost everyone I know who has had a electric and gas range in their life prefers gas. Its just a better way to cook. Good luck fire roasting peppers on an electric stove!
Kudos for almost deciding to help save the world. I'm sure it was close.
Nubo said:danrjones said:Good luck fire roasting peppers on an electric stove!
I've had pretty good luck cutting in half and using a cast iron pan. Or two pans, by laying a heated pan on top to help flatten for maximum contact.
Perhaps, but you seem to stuck on old technology from many years ago.danrjones said:I actually have used single burner portable inductive cooking for hotpot, etc. It's nice. But it doesnt put out the massive btus that gas does for cooking that I've seen. We replaced our gas stove about 5 years ago and the gas ranges all had higher BTU max burners than electric.
It seems so, but that's what all these articles and the thread here are about.danrjones said:I was not talking about heat pumps though, since someone asked.
Seems you're stuck in tech from many years ago. Modern air sourced heat pumps continue to run into the teens. We're talking about California here (population of a mere 40 million). >99% of Californians could switch to air sourced heat pumps based on their climate. All new systems come with emergency resistive backup. Although inefficient, most would never use it and if they did only for a tiny percent of their use.danrjones said:But that does raise a question- in cold areas heat pumps bottom out and emergency heating is needed.
iPlug said:That's another topic, but for new construction in colder climates, ground sourced heat pumps work very well. This is a problem we can tackle down the road. Air sourced heat pumps are lower hanging fruit ripe for picking right now.
Berkeley is only implementing this for new construction. There are municipalities in California that have some very generous incentives for replacing electric and gas appliances with heat pumps. Sacramento (SMUD) for example, will give up to $3k for material cost and installation for upgrading a gas water heater to a heat pump. That allows for an upgrade at no cost to the consumer.danrjones said:I don't want anyone to think I'm making light of a serious issue though.
But just look at it from a cost standpoint. During the summer my gas bill for my drier, stove and water heater is about $10.
Replacing them all plus my furnace? My drier has the 240 plug so that's just the cost of the unit. But my stove and my hot water are not wired for electric. Worse my breaker box is 100 amps. In CA that's another 2 plus grand to upgrade to 200 amps.
The furnace is even worse. I use a swamp cooler so it's a big job to put in a heat pump. The heat pump alone would be 6k plus ducting work. If I did it all it would probably be 15 to 20k with permits, etc. And I'd need a much bigger solar system.
That just won't work for most people. How is a teacher pulling down 35k in Kansas going to do that? Same problem with EVs.
At least with EVs the feds *could* offer a tax rebate for used EVs. Say 4k for families under 40k and 2.5k for famlies under 60k. Etc
Yes, I had done lots of reading on this when I researched it for our home. Article does not mention if it is talking about horizontal or deep vertical wells. No problems in the suburbs with vertical wells even if everyone is doing it.GRA said:I have no personal experience, but from what I've read ground source heat pumps make it possible, depending on the rate at which heat is pulled from the ground
Oilpan4 said:I can buy a nice gas range a lot cheaper than an induction.
I do understand the concern about natural gas. But considering many areas still burn coal, and gas is a lot cleaner than coal, it seems like coal should be the first target.
Has Europe committed to getting off Russian gas?
LeftieBiker said:I do understand the concern about natural gas. But considering many areas still burn coal, and gas is a lot cleaner than coal, it seems like coal should be the first target.
Has Europe committed to getting off Russian gas?
And that, in short, is how we got here, at the Beginning of the End.
danrjones said:Or you can just use fire. I know, it's almost too simple. If Ron Popeil was around I'm sure he could invent a pepper roaster for you.
Actually I have one of his dehydrators somewhere, it burned stuff too. Just slowly.
danrjones said:And what does all that electricity cost?
Again my summer bill for gas is $10!
That's for cooking, drying clothes and hot water.
I know for a fact people in my area can hit $300 to $400 a month electric bills for cooling this time of year.
Sure, I can offset all the electricity with more solar. Solar installers here are charging about $3 watt. So to add another 6 KW DC is another 18 grand. Not including all the other stuff (panel, dryer, range, water heater, heat pump)
This falls under the cut your foot off to treat a hang nail. Not happening.
I do understand the concern about natural gas. But considering many areas still burn coal, and gas is a lot cleaner than coal, it seems like coal should be the first target.
Has Europe committed to getting off Russian gas?
danrjones said:LeftieBiker said:I do understand the concern about natural gas. But considering many areas still burn coal, and gas is a lot cleaner than coal, it seems like coal should be the first target.
Has Europe committed to getting off Russian gas?
And that, in short, is how we got here, at the Beginning of the End.
Yeah maybe but one thing I learned as an engineer is that you can't just have technically feasible solutions but solutions that are logstically feasible, as well as affordable.
Europeans would love to get off gas simply because it would free up political options in dealing with Russia. But that gas is the only affordable means that keeps them from freezing.
Oilpan4 said:danrjones said:LeftieBiker said:And that, in short, is how we got here, at the Beginning of the End.
Yeah maybe but one thing I learned as an engineer is that you can't just have technically feasible solutions but solutions that are logstically feasible, as well as affordable.
Europeans would love to get off gas simply because it would free up political options in dealing with Russia. But that gas is the only affordable means that keeps them from freezing.
If you are looking for critical thinking, logical discussion and reasonable compromise you came to the wrong place.
Actually I'm surprised our resident natural gas using troll hasn't chimed in and called you stupid for trying to be reasonable and accused you of being a environment hating repuke, or something juvenile such as that.
You continue to dispense purposefully false information and the fact that you did not bother to report that my references above refuted your lies shows your continued disservice to the new folks here who aren't yet wise to your childish games and agendas. One more time, go back and read again, "Recommend interested parties head over to homedepot.com and sort for induction cooktops by price if this was your impression."Oilpan4 said:...Some one said "induction ranges aren't more expensive than gas" and that is total BS. On Lowe's when I search induction ranges the cheapest 2 are $999 and $1,040. If you don't like either of those to the 3rd cheapest is $2,000.
The oven in an induction range is no different than the oven in a standard electric range so no efficiency gains there.
With gas ranges I see 7 under $500.
Right now everything is on sale too so those numbers are subject to change.
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