GregS said:Nissan informs me that the battery capacity gauge bars ACTUAL percentages is proprietary information and cannot be shared with owners, as is the percentage of battery capacity held in reserve when battery is drained to "zero" on the gauge.
GregS said:No idea. This is fresh from a Nissan tech as of yesterday. Bizarre. I'm new to this forum--would you mind sharing the capacity gauge percentages if you have them handy? Thanks.
drees said:ttweed said:FWIW, this is one of my discussion points during the LEAF Advisory Board trip to Japan coming up. If anyone else thinks they are likely to be similarly affected, let me know and I'll take a tally.
Not exactly.="TimLee"... the later item has been extensively tested and documented by customers.
21 to 21.5 kWh usable out of 24 kWh pack ultimate capacity.
Because, IMO, Nissan probably would like to limit the LEAF battery capacity discussion to "degradation", which was disclosed to all buyers/lessees, and can be managed cheaply and easily by settling the class action suite prior to discovery, conducting a PR program including the extended capacity warranty (and I hope, a future pro-rated pack exchange program?) and promoting Nissan's preferred storyline (through Nissan's LAB , etc.) rather than revealing all it actually knows about 2011-12 (and later) LEAF initial battery capacity, and whether those facts could ever be considered as having been materially misrepresented, either to LEAF buyers or government agencies.="TimLee"...So why keep calling the info proprietary :?: :?: :?:
edatoakrun said:Because, IMO, Nissan probably would like to limit the LEAF battery capacity discussion to "degradation", which was disclosed to all buyers/lessees, and can be managed cheaply and easily by settling the class action suit prior to discovery, conducting a PR program including the extended capacity warranty (and I hope, a future pro-rated pack exchange program?) and promoting Nissan's preferred storyline (through Nissan's LAB , etc.) rather than revealing all it actually knows about 2011-12 (and later) LEAF initial battery capacity, and whether those facts could ever be considered as having been materially misrepresented, either to LEAF buyers or government agencies.
I agree you are correct on that. It is the only formal highly rigorous scientifically documented information.edatoakrun said:Actually, AFAIK the only accurate testing and documentation available, is from the AVTA study of six 2012 LEAFs:
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Agree.mwalsh said:Which is why one of us needs to sue properly, in whatever forum still available, and subpoena for full discovery. The one thing that blew my mind about the Judge Kozinski interview was the contention that plaintiff's counsel was happy enough with a few abstract documents fed by Toyota and what Nissan was willing to offer. WHAT??? :shock:
I'm down 2 capacity bars @ 21K mi and 3 1/2 yrs. (San Diego area--6 miles from the beach). I love this car, but the battery degradation is alarming, considering my driving/charging history. Since my re-sale value is so pathetic, I'll just keep driving it as long as possible. Unless I deliberately abuse it, I most certainly will not be covered under the 5yr/50K capacity warranty. If Nissan wants to be fair to us "early adopters", they should offer traction battery replacement on a pro-rated basis.Armand said:drees said:....
FWIW, this is one of my discussion points during the LEAF Advisory Board trip to Japan coming up. If anyone else thinks they are likely to be similarly affected, let me know and I'll take a tally.
@drees, Thanks for the offer. I live in a cooler part of the SF Bay area and am in a similar situation. I am down one capacity bar and expecting the second one to drop shortly. I will probably miss the warranty deadline by a few months - one of the reasons I opted out.
derkraut said:I'm down 2 capacity bars @ 21K mi and 3 1/2 yrs. (San Diego area--6 miles from the beach). I love this car, but the battery degradation is alarming, considering my driving/charging history. Since my re-sale value is so pathetic, I'll just keep driving it as long as possible. Unless I deliberately abuse it, I most certainly will not be covered under the 5yr/50K capacity warranty. If Nissan wants to be fair to us "early adopters", they should offer traction battery replacement on a pro-rated basis. Based upon advertised claims when I bought the car, I expected capacity loss from 100 mi. range, to around 70-80 mile range after 5 years/50K mi; but I sure as hell didn't expect to have 50-55 mile range after 21K miles and 3 yrs either. I'm lucky I don't have a lengthy commute, like many of the folks here.Armand said:@drees, Thanks for the offer. I live in a cooler part of the SF Bay area and am in a similar situation. I am down one capacity bar and expecting the second one to drop shortly. I will probably miss the warranty deadline by a few months - one of the reasons I opted out.drees said:FWIW, this is one of my discussion points during the LEAF Advisory Board trip to Japan coming up. If anyone else thinks they are likely to be similarly affected, let me know and I'll take a tally.
TimLee said:I agree you are correct on that. It is the only formal highly rigorous scientifically documented information.edatoakrun said:Actually, AFAIK the only accurate testing and documentation available, is from the AVTA study of six 2012 LEAFs:
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But all that informal customer information collected from the vehicle matches the AVTA study very well.
Those match.edatoakrun said:Not exactly.="TimLee"... the later item has been extensively tested and documented by customers.
21 to 21.5 kWh usable out of 24 kWh pack ultimate capacity.
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And, (for the four of those six taken out on the 45mph new range test) an initial available capacity ranging from 20.8 to 21.4, and averaging 21.0 kWh.
p.5:
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Impressive to lose that much capacity so quickly in San Diego. Where exactly are you and what are your normal usage patterns like?electricfuture said:I finally dropped the 4th bar at 43,000 miles with only a 50 mile city/highway range on my 2011 Leaf here in San Diego. I am bringing it in tomorrow to start the replacement process They told me it could take a few days to get the new battery in - but with Thanksgiving I figure it probably won't be replaced until next week.
I was wondering the same thing. El Cajon perhaps?drees said:Impressive to lose that much capacity so quickly in San Diego. Where exactly are you and what are your normal usage patterns like?
Where exactly are you and what are your normal usage patterns like?
electricfuture said:Here is an update: Nissan told the dealership that replacement batteries for the 2011 Leaf are on restricted ordering and that I would have to wait 4-5 weeks before the battery would ship. I know previously people were getting the replacement battery in 4-5 days!!!
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