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RonDawg said:
Isn't the 2015 down to about 180lb/ft now? I thought they dropped it down with the 2013 changes.
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Isn't the 2015 down to about 180lb/ft now? I thought they dropped it down with the 2013 changes.
Nissan web site lists torque of 2015 as 187 lb-ft with horsepower still at 107 (80 kW). Without instrumention to confirm, my opinion is that the 2011 was slightly quicker off the line even with the stickier Michelin MXM4 tires I had on it. I noticed a drop in acceleration when I switched from the Ecopias to the MXM4s (also slight loss of range).
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Do you have other Nissan dealers convenient? As noted above, the dealers are quite varied in their level of knowledge/support for the Leaf.
Were you able to at least compare the car-seat fit between the Leaf and the eGolf?
One thing I forgot. Others correct me if I'm wrong on this. Did they take away the battery saver mode for 2015 which sets the charging to stop at 80% so your battery lasts longer? I seem to recall that somewhere as otherwise EPA was going to use the 80% charge level in their range calculation. If so, I would find that to be a pain as I rarely need to charge to 100% and messing with either the car's timer or the EVSE timer would get old fast.
Of course, if you intend to lease and don't care about battery longevity, this may be a moot point. I bought mine and want to keep it for a long time, eventually replacing the battery pack with an affordable replacement. (I know, keep dreaming...) Also, when I get some spare time and dollars, I just may indulge my budding interest in mods, which isn't real compatible with a lease.
Were you able to at least compare the car-seat fit between the Leaf and the eGolf?
One thing I forgot. Others correct me if I'm wrong on this. Did they take away the battery saver mode for 2015 which sets the charging to stop at 80% so your battery lasts longer? I seem to recall that somewhere as otherwise EPA was going to use the 80% charge level in their range calculation. If so, I would find that to be a pain as I rarely need to charge to 100% and messing with either the car's timer or the EVSE timer would get old fast.
Of course, if you intend to lease and don't care about battery longevity, this may be a moot point. I bought mine and want to keep it for a long time, eventually replacing the battery pack with an affordable replacement. (I know, keep dreaming...) Also, when I get some spare time and dollars, I just may indulge my budding interest in mods, which isn't real compatible with a lease.
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It got removed :roll: starting with model year 2014.DarthPuppy said:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1089545_2014-nissan-leaf-electric-car-84-mile-range-aroundview-standard
http://insideevs.com/2014-nissan-leaf-mostly-unchanged-as-range-technically-moves-up-to-84-miles/
http://insideevs.com/2013-nissan-leaf-rated-at-75-miles-but-84-miles-using-the-old-system/
It really is stupid that these rules exist. Either make the 80%/100% rule apply to everyone or nobody and just rate them all at 100% charge.
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Thanks again everyone. Will be calling around to other Nissan dealers in CT to see their pricing/EV literacy. The pamphlet i have on the 2015 LEAF also notes the lower 187 torque number.
The LEAF has more leg room in the rear seat than the eGolf. However, both fit the car seat fine. My toddler's toes were just barely touching the back of the driver's seat in the eGolf. My wife was driving and her hip comes up to my lowest rib (though we are both the same height), so that seems like as far back as we'd ever put the seat. As my daughter's legs get longer though, it should improve as the edge of the car seat will no longer hit her mid-calf.
Not so interested in buying as several car and home repairs this year have drained our bank account, don't really have anything for a down payment. Also, the resale and longer-term maintenance/repair anxiety leads me to seek cover in a shorter-term (36 month) lease. Then i can figure out what the next step is.
Nissan's base lease is 12K miles. VW offers 10k miles as the base, but also has 12K, even 15K. This is all about cash-flow for us, and i'm not sure i can afford a higher mileage lease. I should be biking more anyway
I'll be asking for a few different lease permutations to figure out what's best for us and what we can really afford.
I'm also inquiring about insurance costs of LEAF/eGolf vs. a Honda Fit or Nissan Versa to see what additional cost i'll incur over a traditional ICE vehicle. Trying to figure out if there is a real "business case" for EVs for us or if i'd be paying more over the 36 month term.
The LEAF has more leg room in the rear seat than the eGolf. However, both fit the car seat fine. My toddler's toes were just barely touching the back of the driver's seat in the eGolf. My wife was driving and her hip comes up to my lowest rib (though we are both the same height), so that seems like as far back as we'd ever put the seat. As my daughter's legs get longer though, it should improve as the edge of the car seat will no longer hit her mid-calf.
Not so interested in buying as several car and home repairs this year have drained our bank account, don't really have anything for a down payment. Also, the resale and longer-term maintenance/repair anxiety leads me to seek cover in a shorter-term (36 month) lease. Then i can figure out what the next step is.
Nissan's base lease is 12K miles. VW offers 10k miles as the base, but also has 12K, even 15K. This is all about cash-flow for us, and i'm not sure i can afford a higher mileage lease. I should be biking more anyway
I'll be asking for a few different lease permutations to figure out what's best for us and what we can really afford.I'm also inquiring about insurance costs of LEAF/eGolf vs. a Honda Fit or Nissan Versa to see what additional cost i'll incur over a traditional ICE vehicle. Trying to figure out if there is a real "business case" for EVs for us or if i'd be paying more over the 36 month term.
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We own both an e-Golf and a Leaf, and I have a little experience with the i3, as well, as my brother owns one.
In a nutshell: the e-Golf is a better car than the Leaf in most respects, and the coasting and regen steps are the best. But the Leaf has better EV aspects; like the location of the charging port, and CHAdeMO is available, while CCS is not (where I am in Massachusetts, anyway).
My family of four is tall, and we are much more comfortable in the e-Golf. The downside is it sits lower and the getting in and out is a bit more effort. The rear legroom in the e-Golf in particular is better, because the foot wells are deeper than the Leaf, which has some battery cells below the rear floor.
The two features that the e-Golf have that is better than any EV on the market are the free wheel coasting, and the 4 levels of regen available by "shifting" - and the direct heating windshield defroster. The former is what every EV should have, in my opinion. The latter is a great concept, but as implemented in the e-Golf is a bit anemic for ice and freezing rain, and is only good for moisture in a cold rain. The idea is that direct heating is MUCH more efficient, but the e-Golf's version needs more oomph.
The Leaf has the best location for the charging port, and it has a light on the inside to see it in the dark. It has an optional lock to keep anyone from disconnecting you until it is charged. The e-Golf stays locked all the time, and only when you unlock the car, can you release it - so it is NOT easy to use on public EVSE's unless you stay with it. The Leaf also has the three blue lights in the center of the dash at the base of the windshield so that the state of charging can be seen from a distance.
Being able to use the CHAdeMO quick charging is great - we have not used it a lot, yet, but we can use it. The total lack of CCS stations is a major lack, for both the e-Golf and the i3.
Driving the e-Golf is far better than the Leaf - handling and steering is great. The e-Golf chassis is more solid feeling and the fit and finish is better. The Leaf has stronger acceleration, even though the motor is slightly less powerful - it must have lower gearing. The Leaf brakes are strong, but the body rolls a bit more, and occasionally the stability control kicks in by dragging a rear wheel brake - this is a bit too heavy handed, in my opinion. The e-Golf has a tilt and telescope steering wheel, while the Leaf only tilts.
The Leaf S we have came with 16" Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 and these are excellent low rolling resistance tires, and so far I have been able to get lower energy consumption in the Leaf. My best average for a charge is just under 205Wh/mile (measuring the charge at the wall and using a corrected odometer reading). I "shift" into neutral and the Leaf simply flies along on the gentlest down slopes.
The e-Golf has a better claimed Cd, and I tend to concur, but this advantage is undone by the unremarkable stock Continental tires. My best consumption in the e-Golf is 212Wh/mile. I hope to be able to try some low rolling resistance tires at some point, to see what the e-Golf is capable of.
I have driven the e-Golf five times above 100 miles on one charge (best at 110 miles), and I have driven the Leaf three times farther than 100 miles (best 111 miles). My 90 day average (not every charge) on the e-Golf is 138.8MPGe, and for the Leaf it is 139.8MPGe.
The stereo in the e-Golf is much better, though that is top-of-the-line vs base model. On the other hand, the Leaf has a USB input that works with any MP3 player, and the e-Golf requires a proprietary cable. (In theory it comes with two style iPod cables, but ours only came with the older 30 pin version.) The e-Golf has an SD slot so you can put your MP3's on a big SD card, and use that; but it requires 400x400 JPG's for the cover art.
A couple of niggles with the e-Golf: the HVAC always resets to 72F; no matter where you left it. Grrrr ... This is annoying. It only has the two front seats heated. When you unlock the car to release the charging cord, it resets the charger's display that showed the kWh for the previous charge. Having to unlock the car to be able to pull the connector is quite annoying, and makes proper etiquette at public stations very difficult.
The Leaf has all five seats heated, and the steering wheel is heated - my spouse is a HUGE fan of the heated steering wheel. Our Leaf S has a resistance heater, which sucks some serious wattage in the winter. Our worst total range was ~60 miles last winter; which was cold and very snowy.
The e-Golf has adaptive creep. If you stop, and then release the brake - nothing happens. If you accelerate very lightly after coming to a stop, it continues forward after you release the accelerator pedal. I like this feature. The Leaf has "normal" creep, which is sometimes annoying. Both have a certain amount of hill hold, which is great - no drifting backward on hill starts.
We have ~9,200 miles on our 2015 Leaf S, and we have had it since October '14. We have ~5,400 miles on our 2015 e-Golf and we have had it since February '15.
In a nutshell: the e-Golf is a better car than the Leaf in most respects, and the coasting and regen steps are the best. But the Leaf has better EV aspects; like the location of the charging port, and CHAdeMO is available, while CCS is not (where I am in Massachusetts, anyway).
My family of four is tall, and we are much more comfortable in the e-Golf. The downside is it sits lower and the getting in and out is a bit more effort. The rear legroom in the e-Golf in particular is better, because the foot wells are deeper than the Leaf, which has some battery cells below the rear floor.
The two features that the e-Golf have that is better than any EV on the market are the free wheel coasting, and the 4 levels of regen available by "shifting" - and the direct heating windshield defroster. The former is what every EV should have, in my opinion. The latter is a great concept, but as implemented in the e-Golf is a bit anemic for ice and freezing rain, and is only good for moisture in a cold rain. The idea is that direct heating is MUCH more efficient, but the e-Golf's version needs more oomph.
The Leaf has the best location for the charging port, and it has a light on the inside to see it in the dark. It has an optional lock to keep anyone from disconnecting you until it is charged. The e-Golf stays locked all the time, and only when you unlock the car, can you release it - so it is NOT easy to use on public EVSE's unless you stay with it. The Leaf also has the three blue lights in the center of the dash at the base of the windshield so that the state of charging can be seen from a distance.
Being able to use the CHAdeMO quick charging is great - we have not used it a lot, yet, but we can use it. The total lack of CCS stations is a major lack, for both the e-Golf and the i3.
Driving the e-Golf is far better than the Leaf - handling and steering is great. The e-Golf chassis is more solid feeling and the fit and finish is better. The Leaf has stronger acceleration, even though the motor is slightly less powerful - it must have lower gearing. The Leaf brakes are strong, but the body rolls a bit more, and occasionally the stability control kicks in by dragging a rear wheel brake - this is a bit too heavy handed, in my opinion. The e-Golf has a tilt and telescope steering wheel, while the Leaf only tilts.
The Leaf S we have came with 16" Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 and these are excellent low rolling resistance tires, and so far I have been able to get lower energy consumption in the Leaf. My best average for a charge is just under 205Wh/mile (measuring the charge at the wall and using a corrected odometer reading). I "shift" into neutral and the Leaf simply flies along on the gentlest down slopes.
The e-Golf has a better claimed Cd, and I tend to concur, but this advantage is undone by the unremarkable stock Continental tires. My best consumption in the e-Golf is 212Wh/mile. I hope to be able to try some low rolling resistance tires at some point, to see what the e-Golf is capable of.
I have driven the e-Golf five times above 100 miles on one charge (best at 110 miles), and I have driven the Leaf three times farther than 100 miles (best 111 miles). My 90 day average (not every charge) on the e-Golf is 138.8MPGe, and for the Leaf it is 139.8MPGe.
The stereo in the e-Golf is much better, though that is top-of-the-line vs base model. On the other hand, the Leaf has a USB input that works with any MP3 player, and the e-Golf requires a proprietary cable. (In theory it comes with two style iPod cables, but ours only came with the older 30 pin version.) The e-Golf has an SD slot so you can put your MP3's on a big SD card, and use that; but it requires 400x400 JPG's for the cover art.
A couple of niggles with the e-Golf: the HVAC always resets to 72F; no matter where you left it. Grrrr ... This is annoying. It only has the two front seats heated. When you unlock the car to release the charging cord, it resets the charger's display that showed the kWh for the previous charge. Having to unlock the car to be able to pull the connector is quite annoying, and makes proper etiquette at public stations very difficult.
The Leaf has all five seats heated, and the steering wheel is heated - my spouse is a HUGE fan of the heated steering wheel. Our Leaf S has a resistance heater, which sucks some serious wattage in the winter. Our worst total range was ~60 miles last winter; which was cold and very snowy.
The e-Golf has adaptive creep. If you stop, and then release the brake - nothing happens. If you accelerate very lightly after coming to a stop, it continues forward after you release the accelerator pedal. I like this feature. The Leaf has "normal" creep, which is sometimes annoying. Both have a certain amount of hill hold, which is great - no drifting backward on hill starts.
We have ~9,200 miles on our 2015 Leaf S, and we have had it since October '14. We have ~5,400 miles on our 2015 e-Golf and we have had it since February '15.
NeilBlanchard said:
I have also listened to the stereo of the LE version of the eGolf and I thought it still sounded better than the non-Bose stereo of the Leaf. It would be interesting to compare this to the optional Leaf Bose stereo.
2016 eGolfs are supposed to have a normal USB port like just about everybody else.
One thing for the OP to note is that the 2015 eGolf LE (and likely the 2016 SE which will become the new "base" model) also come with just a resistance heater as well.
jmmurphy26 said:
Just as a note...some insurers don't treat EV's any differently than any other car. Others think they are the devil incarnate and price accordingly. In addition to your current insurer, I would call around other companies to see what their quotes are.
RonDawg said:
Tell me about it. My Leaf was denied a "hybrid car discount" by my insurer, when the entire purpose of the discount is to "promote fuel efficiency". Yes, technically it's not a hybrid, but denying the Leaf that discount just goes to show how uniformed a lot of agencies are.
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Insurance is a good question to check on.
In theory, the eGolf might do better as the bumpers, body panels, headlights and taillights are likely to be the same as the other Golfs. This should make them more available and less expensive to replace. And since almost all collisions involve those aspects, that could be viewed by the insurer as a major rating factor. But sometimes understanding insurance company logic requires potent drugs.
But do shop around. My brother has a Tesla. When he got it, State Farm gave him a highly inflated quote. AAA came in much more reasonable. I thought Safeco was reasonable for my Leaf. But these companies can vary widely on how much they charge for these 2 cars.
In theory, the eGolf might do better as the bumpers, body panels, headlights and taillights are likely to be the same as the other Golfs. This should make them more available and less expensive to replace. And since almost all collisions involve those aspects, that could be viewed by the insurer as a major rating factor. But sometimes understanding insurance company logic requires potent drugs.
But do shop around. My brother has a Tesla. When he got it, State Farm gave him a highly inflated quote. AAA came in much more reasonable. I thought Safeco was reasonable for my Leaf. But these companies can vary widely on how much they charge for these 2 cars.
DarthPuppy said:
In my case, AAA gave far and away the most outrageous quote, over double what Allstate was charging me to add the Leaf. Most quotes were only about 1.5x Allstate's price.
I ended up going with esurance for the same price as Allstate was asking for the Audi alone. 2-1/2 years later I'm with Ameriprise (via my Costco membership) and I am paying even less for the Audi, Leaf and eGolf combined.
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By contrast, my insurance company, Electric Insurance (yes, really) gives me an EV discount. I shopped around recently but couldn't beat the price, perhaps because I've been with them for many years for auto, house, umbrella.AndyGT02 said:
joeriv
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As to a dealer, Bruce Bennett Nissan in Wilton CT is totally committed to the Leaf and has knowledgeable sales/service staff - I bought mine from them (Feb 2014) and have been totally satisfied with the deal I negotiated and with service. - worth a try!
