garygid
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Is the USA Democracy "Full", or "Faux"?
You know it's a full representative democracy, Gary.garygid said:Is the USA Democracy "Full", or "Faux"?
Yeah, heard about it this morning - sent a chill down my spine. During two of my military tours I worked with the folks that do the 'noncombatant evacuation operations' - NEO - like the ones pulling the US and other citizens out of Egypt right now. Things can get really ugly really fast once they take a turn for the worse.evnow said:The situation has taken a turn for the worse, with Mubarak letting loose his hooligans. But this also seals his fate with the international community.
Absolutely cannot agree with this. Of course, like Egypt, the people in the US that would rather sit on their...hands...don't get the power anyway. Not because they don't HAVE it but because they won't USE it.garygid said:Tried, but couldn't change it, because it is a Faux Democracy.
The power is not "with the people", unless it gets like Egypt.
(My viewpoint, of course.)
I guess people are coming to the same conclusion that Nate did (that I posted earlier) - poorer countries with little oil are more at risk than oil rich ones.AndyH said:edit...oil, gold, and silver are down a bit today - not much concern for Egypt overall? :?
Absolutely. Very few people care or know what is happening. If they did there is a ton of information available and they can keep throwing out the incumbant even if there are only two parties. US has the highest % of incumbants re-elected of any democracy.AndyH said:Absolutely cannot agree with this. Of course, like Egypt, the people in the US that would rather sit on their...hands...don't get the power anyway. Not because they don't HAVE it but because they won't USE it.
Who's to blame - companies getting what they want or the public that are too lazy to care?
And here's our disconnect - I think it's about transporting the crude, not the small countries with few wells in the ground.evnow said:I guess people are coming to the same conclusion that Nate did (that I posted earlier) - poorer countries with little oil are more at risk than oil rich ones.AndyH said:edit...oil, gold, and silver are down a bit today - not much concern for Egypt overall? :?
Oh - Suez transports 1 mbpd a day - significant but can be easily rerouted. Also, since the center of action is Cairo, may be Suez is not thought to be at a big risk.AndyH said:And here's our disconnect - I think it's about transporting the crude, not the small countries with few wells in the ground.
I guess more oil flows out of the Persian Gulf than the Suez and Egyptian pipeline, so if Egypt goes off-line OPEC can just open the taps another 64th of a turn.
Whoa...that changes the viewpoint a bit... When we vote, we're not fighting against the party we want to remove, and we're not fighting for the folks we want elected - our real opponent are the folks that don't read before they vote! (Crud...except for the folks that really do like oil refineries over clean air and clean water. :shock: )evnow said:Absolutely. Very few people care or know what is happening. If they did there is a ton of information available and they can keep throwing out the incumbant even if there are only two parties. US has the highest % of incumbants re-elected of any democracy.
There are restrictions on the tanker size that can fit through the canal. This is mainly based on draft, or the depth of the tanker underwater, which has to be less than the 66 ft depth of the Canal, but there is also a bridge over the canal that the tankers must pass under. Those that fit into this range are designated as Suezmax tankers. In terms of the classification of tanker sizes they lie in the mid-range of those available. In a typical day about 1.8 mbd of oil passes through the Canal, which is about 5% of the global oil tanker trade.
And TV news reported today that the opposition was splintering between those who vow to continue demonstrations until Mubarek leaves the country, and those who are content for Mubarek to manage the transition to democracy, thinking the reforms made thus far are unstoppable if people remain vigilant.evnow said:In anycase, there may be an end in sight to the Egyptian turmoil now with the opposition & government starting to talk. Chances of Suez canal problems look low indeed.
[The resignation of Kuwait's interior minister] could signal an attempt to weaken the calls on social media sites for street demonstrations Tuesday outside parliament to protest "undemocratic" practices by Kuwait's government. If major crowds gather, it would mark the first anti-government rallies in the Gulf since the toppling of Tunisia's strongman ruler
Global oil prices could exceed $110 a barrel if political unrest in Egypt continues, a member of Kuwait's Supreme Petroleum Council said on Sunday.
Just scare mongering.walterbays said:http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptNews/idAFLDE71505M20110206Global oil prices could exceed $110 a barrel if political unrest in Egypt continues, a member of Kuwait's Supreme Petroleum Council said on Sunday.
The mixed messages have been confusing and at times embarrassing — a reflection of a policy that, by necessity, has been made up on the fly. “This is what happens when you get caught by surprise,” said one American official, who would not speak on the record. “We’ve had endless strategy sessions for the past two years on Mideast peace, on containing Iran. And how many of them factored in the possibility that Egypt,” and presumably whatever dominoes follow it, “moves from stability to turmoil? None.”
The US fears that Saudi Arabia, the world's largest crude oil exporter, may not have enough reserves to prevent oil prices escalating, confidential cables from its embassy in Riyadh show.
The cables, released by WikiLeaks, urge Washington to take seriously a warning from a senior Saudi government oil executive that the kingdom's crude oil reserves may have been overstated by as much as 300bn barrels – nearly 40%.
The revelation comes as the oil price has soared in recent weeks to more than $100 a barrel on global demand and tensions in the Middle East. Many analysts expect that the Saudis and their Opec cartel partners would pump more oil if rising prices threatened to choke off demand.
However, Sadad al-Husseini, a geologist and former head of exploration at the Saudi oil monopoly Aramco, met the US consul general in Riyadh in November 2007 and told the US diplomat that Aramco's 12.5m barrel-a-day capacity needed to keep a lid on prices could not be reached.
hodad66 said:a certain party has done a great job of keeping their base
distracted with guns, god, embryos and evolution while
picking the pockets of those very people. :shock:
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