Boomer23
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Phil, what's the function of the camera in the charge port door? Is it associated with the Around View Monitor? If so, how does it see the environment if the charge door is closed?
Randy said:LEAFfan said:thankyouOB said:any word from the Chels on last night?
or efforts to get Nissan to fill in our questionnaire.
I am particularly interested in their fudge on the battery price issue. is there a date yet?
my birthday is at the end of March...that would be a nice gift.
Andy said sometime in the Spring, Mar./April.
Translation: The price is so high right now that you'd laugh at us if we told you...
I think it's because of what we read at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=257079#p257079" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; last night.TonyWilliams said:Well, you guys are quick to dismiss without having heard a word. Yes, it is PR. That's your modern world. But, many of you may be interested to know that both of those speaking (Andy and Billy) personally drive a LEAF at home.
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Another thank you to Phil for his great pics and descriptions. I'm glad he took pics and described some of the more interesting stuff on the '13.waidy said:Great photos with descriptions. Thank you so much, Phil. I guess I don't need to go to San Francisco Saturday to see it. You photos save me a trip.
Aside from Andy's statements that they have tightened up the accuracy of the capacity bars in the 2013 version, and that they will correct the sloppiness in the earlier versions via a software update in the "spring," I don't recall anything else. As Volusiano reported, Andy said that they made the bars in the 2011/2012 read conservatively so that no one would ever have less capacity than the bars stated. Or stated another way, although my 10 bar car should be at approx. 79% per the 2011 version 1 manual, according to Andy, I haven't really lost that much capacity. (My car went 69 miles in the Phoenix Range Test in September. Assuming a new car would go 84 miles, my range was 82% of that.)Stoaty said:Any word on whether Nissan is using more accurate instrumentation to keep track of energy stored in battery pack (since they were blaming the instruments for part of the reported battery capacity loss in hot climates)?
Bummer! Although I'm sure there's no shortage of opinions and ideas, I'd have hoped that the question list at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11136" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; would've captured part/much of what many hot climate owners want. Problem is, from what I'm hearing, the meeting didn't go that way at all.leafkabob said:Unfortunately I just don't think they really get what our issue is.
I think they did listen and show concern. They just don't have anything to offer that was satisfying. They think the new warranty should do it. I think most AZ 2011/2012 purchasers don't agree.philipscoggins said:Seems strange to pick Phoenix for the town hall if they weren't going to listen/show concern to what the majority of Phoenix residents are concerned about.
Sounds like it's time for a poll.leafkabob said:I think they did listen and show concern. They just don't have anything to offer that was satisfying. They think the new warranty should do it. I think most AZ 2011/2012 purchasers don't agree.philipscoggins said:Seems strange to pick Phoenix for the town hall if they weren't going to listen/show concern to what the majority of Phoenix residents are concerned about.
What surprised me was that they don't seem to understand how the instrumentation in the car can make range disappear at a much faster rate than the capacity bars would indicate. I believe that few people are aware, or have acknowledged, that disproportionate amount of usable capacity is lost between the very low battery warning and full charge. At least two cars during the range test seemed to go substantially farther after the low battery warning than one would have expected.leaf kabob said:Unfortunately I just don't think they really get what our issue is.
I remember Andy said something to the effect that the LEAF battery uses air cooling to dissipate the heat. I think it's misleading to even say this because it may lead people to incorrectly think that there's "forced" air cooling by fan in the LEAF. Fan-forced air cooling in the LEAF battery is not even there as far as I can tell. The only heat dissipation on the LEAF battery is simply through direct thermal transfer between the battery packs through the battery outer shell casing.leafkabob said:2. Nissan has no intention (at this point at least) of going to a fluid cooling system for the battery. When more than one person suggested that such a system would solve the problem, Andy was pretty clear in stating that "there are many ways to dissipate heat, and fluid is only one of them." He really doesn't think it is the way to go. He also said they have no "Dubai Leaf," or any plans for a "desert version."
I on the other hand think they really do get what our issue is but are not genuinely interested in resolving our issue. They never once during the 1.5 hour town hall asked what the audience thinks it would take to resolve the issue to the audience's satisfaction. I thought that this should have been the HEART of the discussion, the PRIMARY reason for them to come all the way out to Phoenix, to address and discuss the issue of how to make it right directly with the actual people who are affected and are living day to day with the issue.leafkabob said:In spite of all of that, I was encouraged by the meeting. I believe Andy is sincere and felt he was honest with his responses. It would have been pretty easy to avoid coming to Phoenix or to have someone else do it instead. Billy and Jeff also struck me as sincere and genuinely interested in resolving our issues. Unfortunately I just don't think they really get what our issue is.
That's a good observation. They seemed to be on the defensive the entire time. Whether that was intentional or not, I don't know.Volusiano said:They never once during the 1.5 hour town hall asked what the audience thinks it would take to resolve the issue to the audience's satisfaction.
The pins are always the same diameter, even on 70A inlets. But the inlet is a new Yazaki design. It looked to me as if it may very well have thermal monitoring, but I couldn't take it apart to confirm. =)LEAFfan said:Phil, did you notice that the J receptical looked different? Another person and I thought it looked like it had heftier pins to handle the 30A charging.
Not so much interested in tech data as in the functional significance of the "slightly different chemistry". Why is the chemistry different for U.S.? More heat tolerant? Slightly higher capacity? Red, white and blue colors for the electrolyte?TonyWilliams said:Many of the modifications to the 2013 were direct results of user input. The North American battery does have a slightly different chemistry than Japan (sorry, no hard tech data).
If I recall correctly, Andy insinuated that the battery chemistry has been tweaked, which was at least partially motivated by the issues owners have encountered. Can't really comment on electrolyte color ;-)Stoaty said:Not so much interested in tech data as in the functional significance of the "slightly different chemistry". Why is the chemistry different for U.S.? More heat tolerant? Slightly higher capacity? Red, white and blue colors for the electrolyte?
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