TonyWilliams
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mortisier said:Just saw my first Rav 4 in Port Hadlock Washington. The owner had it delivered from Cali.
All owners have it delivered from California. It's the only place they are sold.
mortisier said:Just saw my first Rav 4 in Port Hadlock Washington. The owner had it delivered from Cali.
mortisier said:Just saw my first Rav 4 in Port Hadlock Washington. The owner had it delivered from Cali. after $10000 rebate and tax incentives, no sales tax and 0% interest it was a no brainer. I'm jealous!
I am curious.. if the Washington Rav4EV owner doesn't live in California, how did he get the California tax incentive?mortisier said:Just saw my first Rav 4 in Port Hadlock Washington. The owner had it delivered from Cali. after $10000 rebate and tax incentives, no sales tax and 0% interest it was a no brainer. I'm jealous!
waidy said:I am curious.. if the Washington Rav4EV owner doesn't live in California, how did he get the California tax incentive?mortisier said:Just saw my first Rav 4 in Port Hadlock Washington. The owner had it delivered from Cali. after $10000 rebate and tax incentives, no sales tax and 0% interest it was a no brainer. I'm jealous!
I believe EVs are still exempt from WA sales and use tax. See http://www.afdc.energy.gov/laws/laws/WA/tech/3253" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.RonDawg said:mortisier said:Just saw my first Rav 4 in Port Hadlock Washington. The owner had it delivered from Cali. after $10000 rebate and tax incentives, no sales tax and 0% interest it was a no brainer. I'm jealous!
No California sales tax since it was not registered there, but wouldn't Olympia impose WA state sales tax upon registration?
This is a post from the RAV4EV forum I did a while back....cwerdna said:I believe EVs are still exempt from WA sales and use tax. See http://www.afdc.energy.gov/laws/laws/WA/tech/3253" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.RonDawg said:mortisier said:Just saw my first Rav 4 in Port Hadlock Washington. The owner had it delivered from Cali. after $10000 rebate and tax incentives, no sales tax and 0% interest it was a no brainer. I'm jealous!
No California sales tax since it was not registered there, but wouldn't Olympia impose WA state sales tax upon registration?
GoingGreener said:I am so happy that our neighbors are considering an EV to replace their Ford Escape. I mentioned to them the RAV4EV since they have 2 big dogs that they take to the ocean to swim daily, but I will need to caution them then. I would sure hate to bring on problems to them.
TonyWilliams said:Official Rant:
I'm getting tired of constantly driving it to the dealership for 5000 mile checkups, plus the MULTITUDE of failures that I've had on the car. The ongoing and seemingly never to be fixed charge timer issue. The replacement (Tesla) motor that is now starting to make noise just like the last one. Heck, I only bought the car because of the Tesla drivetrain and big battery pack with TMS). Virtually EVERY Tesla supplied piece of hardware has been unbolted from my car so far. The heater failed. The charge port melted (I blame Blink/REMA for that one, though). The car currently has a "Check EV System" failure and has been in the shop all week, and probably next week, too.
The ride quality is not so smooth and the interior sucks for a $50k car. It's a phased out body style, and Toyota openly doesn't support EVs. No spare tire is just DUMB, too, but that seems to be the EV norm. 120 volt / 12 amp EVSE? Three miles per HOUR???? The same EVSE that Toyota uses in their 11 mile range Plug-In Prius (while Tesla supplies full 40 amp EVSE in their cars). Are you kidding me when there is onboard capabilty of a 40 amp / 277 volt charger? Yippee!! No DC quick charge option, even though Toyota is an official CHAdeMO member company.
Gas gauge that stops at 80% full??? What brain surgeon thought that made sense? A resistance heater in a $50k EV ???... even the LEAF at about 2/3 the price offers a heat pump. Poor implementation of charging station mapping (only works with internet connected smart phone with app running), plus it doesn't come close to what I can just find on PlugShare.
Plus, I always thought the Rav4's were girl cars.
evnow said:Has any out of state owners of RAV4EV had any issues so far ?
evnow said:Has any out of state owners of RAV4EV had any issues so far ?
evnow said:Has any out of state owners of RAV4EV had any issues so far ?
reeler said:I think some are using this fact to get the motor replaced, but I think that may be an over reaction.
jspearman said:It does seem like Tony should be able to get a new one through Lemon Law at this point.
Sorry to hear about your troubles, Tony. Hats off to you and the other early adopters for being guinea pigs.DaveinOlyWA said:TonyWilliams said:Official Rant:
I'm getting tired of constantly driving it to the dealership for 5000 mile checkups, plus the MULTITUDE of failures that I've had on the car. ...
thanks for the update Tony. like any car version 1.0, it has hiccups. I know a Tesla owner who loves his car but still has had the Tesla Tech out a few times and spent a few hours on the phone with telephone tech support and its over little stuff.
his door handle got stuck?? (not quite sure I understand what the problem is) window would not roll up, heater works randomly, etc. but he is an adventuresome guy with a lot of energy to investigate causes, install mods, etc (he was also an early Prius owner)
I also posted a followup at http://www.myrav4ev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4492#p4492" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I'm sure Tesla can and probably will learn but they just don't have the experience of others that have been making cars for 50+ years, esp. those who have been making mostly reliable cars for at least 25+ years.As for between Toyota and Tesla, Toyota has FAR more experience w/making reliable cars and systems than Tesla. I own a Toyota. My parents have owned a few, one of which was handed down to me.
If you hang out on http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/forumdisplay.php/73-Model-S" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and look thru http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/10398-Model-S-Technical-Mechanical-Issues" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, you don't get really warm and fuzzy feelings about Tesla reliability. Some of problems like the windshield stress cracks some Model S cars experience is troubling, if in fact they aren't due to chipping. They also have some self-inflicted design issues (e.g. door handles that extend and retract are more points of failures and have failed for people, shiny door handles being too hot to touch w/the sun beating down on them, etc.).
To quote from http://priuschat.com/threads/prius-brake-recall-%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%80%9C-a-little-more-information.76158/page-2#post-1061546" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; regarding forums from the former Prius Product Manager (a marketing person):
I think I pointed to the post I made at http://priuschat.com/threads/entune-class-action-suit-anyone.111550/#post-1589545" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and the stuff I linked to before.Me and Erica? We're "just Marketing" people perusing the boards. Our ability to collect information from owners here is limited to qualitative data - quantitative is either impossible or very unreliable, and therefore not suitable for satisfying regulatory requirements. It's much better for things like "do I need a third cupholder in the front?" and much worse for things like "my car doesn't feel like it's braking right." So is this statement CYA? If that's the term you prefer, ok.
It'll be very interesting to see if Consumer Reports gets enough respondents from Model S owners to be able to assign it a reliability rating. Assuming folks answer honestly, my gut feel so far is that it'll be below average.
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