Rauv
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So, does this device work or is it snake oil?
Rauv said:So, does this device work or is it snake oil?
kingofthehuns said:- You are right, in its most aggressive mode, the timing effects (it is not a traditional lag filter, rather an optimized dynamic approximation curve - ODAC) can be felt. We have addressed that with a 2 stage ODAC which kicks in based on input evaluations. It sounds like the 2nd stage did not kick in in your case. I went back, replayed the possible scenario you are likely to have experienced in our lab and adjusted the parameter evaluator. The 2nd stage blending function should activate more responsively now, although it may come at the expense of energy efficiency. It is not an easy task to strike the right balance between performance and efficiency, and without going into details, our system constantly analyzes the I/O pmeters and makes small modifications (one may say it tries to learn).
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3. @RockyNV; "Mode 5 issues"
- Mode 5 was designed to approximate "ECO" responsiveness while driven in "D". Just for the record, I also drive a Leaf, since 2011. We did a fair amount of acceleration (timing and g-force) measurements, but based on your feedback, we must have missed something. I think it may have something to do with the 2nd stage ODAC activation and the associated parameters, I will look into it.
All the above SW modifications will be in the next firmware update. I will discuss the details with Marc.
Thank you,
-A
Here are my stats since changing to mode 3 on 5/26/17. Temps have been warmer, from 45-90, average around 70. Driving was the same split of highway/local with the same speeds. I saw a roughly 9% improvement overall.
PedalLogic said:Hi Everyone,
Latest report from GetOffYourGas:
Here are my stats since changing to mode 3 on 5/26/17. Temps have been warmer, from 45-90, average around 70. Driving was the same split of highway/local with the same speeds. I saw a roughly 9% improvement overall.
What is the disadvantage of mode 3? or how does it differ from not using the device?GetOffYourGas said:PedalLogic said:Hi Everyone,
Latest report from GetOffYourGas:
Here are my stats since changing to mode 3 on 5/26/17. Temps have been warmer, from 45-90, average around 70. Driving was the same split of highway/local with the same speeds. I saw a roughly 9% improvement overall.
Sorry I didn't post my results sooner. I wanted to follow my testing with a few hundred miles of driving without the PedalLogic unit so I could control my usage to be as similar as possible.
The unit has three modes, each progressively more aggressive. Here are my numbers after 800+ miles in each mode:
baseline (no PedalLogic) - 3.3 miles / kWh
Mode 1 - 3.5 miles/kWh
Mode 2 - 3.4 miles/kWh
Mode 3 - 3.7 miles/kWh
All modes performed better than stock. Mode 3 saw about a 12% improvement from stock (the quote above was relative to Mode 2, which was the least efficient mode, but still better than stock). My driving was as consistent as possible through each mode's test. Temperatures were similar and I always had the climate running with slight A/C (never heat). The efficiency numbers settled into a very consistent value, which gave me a high confidence in them.
I also found that the unit made it easier to drive efficiently when desired. It definitely works as advertised, smoothing out the bumps.
jjeff said:What is the disadvantage of mode 3? or how does it differ from not using the device?
jjeff said:Any real disadvantage of mode 1? I mean would one even notice the difference between mode 1 or a car without the device?
Hi GetOffYourGas,GetOffYourGas said:The unit has three modes, each progressively more aggressive. Here are my numbers after 800+ miles in each mode:
baseline (no SmartPedal) - 3.3 miles / kWh
Mode 1 - 3.5 miles/kWh
Mode 2 - 3.4 miles/kWh
Mode 3 - 3.7 miles/kWh
All modes performed better than stock. Mode 3 saw about a 12% improvement from stock (the quote above was relative to Mode 2, which was the least efficient mode, but still better than stock). My driving was as consistent as possible through each mode's test. Temperatures were similar and I always had the climate running with slight A/C (never heat). The efficiency numbers settled into a very consistent value, which gave me a high confidence in them. I also found that the unit made it easier to drive efficiently when desired.
It definitely works as advertised, smoothing out the bumps.
powersurge said:so what is this product going to retail at???
powersurge said:This sounds like another "box" like from that guy in Europe....
Please do so, particularly if this would be for the "5+1" version. This could be the only aftermarket upgrade we provide for our MY2011 LEAF. We would purchase it not so much for the money savings since that only comes to about $30/year, but rather for the extra range that we might achieve by using the "Super Eco" mode in the hopes of forestalling the future need for a battery replacement.PedalLogic said:That said, if members following this thread want to order, I can post a 45%-off promo code for a few days.powersurge said:so what is this product going to retail at???
Will do. The code is MYLEAF. It's active now through next Friday (Sept 29). We'll make sure to ship the 5+1.RegGuheert said:Please do so, particularly if this would be for the "5+1" version.
That's great to read.RegGuheert said:This could be the only aftermarket upgrade we provide for our MY2011 LEAF.
You hit the nail on the head on an aspect of our internal marketing conversation of consumer vs. fleet. In addition to increased range, our technology typically generates about a 12-24 month payback on the investment for fleet vehicles, almost all of which are combustion powered. In consumer EVs, the payback period increases to 4-5 years because of the underlying efficiency of EVs and the low cost of electricity. So with EVs, our value proposition is mostly about range.RegGuheert said:We would purchase it not so much for the money savings since that only comes to about $30/year, but rather for the extra range that we might achieve by using the "Super Eco" mode in the hopes of forestalling the future need for a battery replacement.
Thanks! Order placed.PedalLogic said:Will do. The code is MYLEAF. It's active now through next Friday (Sept 29). We'll make sure to ship the 5+1.RegGuheert said:Please do so, particularly if this would be for the "5+1" version.
That explanation sealed the deal for me. Range is most limited in wintertime and this appears to be dominated by the increase in resistance of the battery pack as it has degraded. This results in an almost complete loss of regen when crossing the nearby mountain, which likely will not be helped by this device, but I'm hopeful some energy will be saved in other portions of my wife's commute to help give her margin to successfully make it home from her 50-mile commute for a few more years.PedalLogic said:On the other hand, you'll notice when SmartPedal is installed that the instantaneous demand spikes on the battery pack diminish significantly. These are the spikes that typically occur one or more times a second during normal driving as the vehicle moves up/down while travel over the roadway. We have no data to back this up yet, but we think that mitigating these spikes helps the performance and longevity of the battery pack.
Thank you! We'll ship tomorrow. Look for tracking info via email.RegGuheert said:Thanks! Order placed.
I am sometimes embarrassed at how poorly we market ourselves. :roll:RegGuheert said:For others like me who do not know where to go to place an order, the website is SmartPedal.com.
Yes, exactly.RegGuheert said:BTW, I considered also purchasing one of these for our 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid, but it appears that you only offer them for MY2012 and later. Is this because your technology is only compatible with more recent electronic pedals?
Awesome!PedalLogic said:Thank you! We'll ship tomorrow. Look for tracking info via email.RegGuheert said:Thanks! Order placed.
Now I see you have the link to your website higher up on this page.PedalLogic said:I am sometimes embarrassed at how poorly we market ourselves. :roll:RegGuheert said:For others like me who do not know where to go to place an order, the website is SmartPedal.com.
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