dgpcolorado said:
AndyH said:
Yes, "there's a thread for that". There's also the simple fact that all aspects of the human experience aren't contained by cubicle walls.
You're welcome to "not care" to look beyond an easy way to contain something you don't believe in. It's probably not reasonable to expect others will choose that particular set of blinders. As has been made very clear in a number of threads on this forum, even the all-mighty Tesla has strengths and weaknesses - and it CANNOT and NEVER WILL be a 100% solution to electric transportation. Anyone that refuses to acknowledge that fact should probably leave any BEV topics as they're disqualified themselves. Regardless of anyone's "religious choice" the reason we are electrifying transportation is not just because Prius-smug is wearing thin and some need to replace it with BEV-smug. it's not just because we're past peak oil. It's not just because diesels emit too much black carbon. It's not just because ICE is responsible for too much ground-level ozone. It's not just because humans are continuing to contaminate our atmosphere with too much fossil carbon and directly causing global warming. It's ALL of those things...
The person who is smug and
holier than thou here is you. You know nothing about me. I, a scientist, long ago accepted the validity AGW and I consider it a settled issue, deniers notwithstanding. And when it comes to such concerns I've been walking the walk for many, many years, so you can take your BS assumptions about me and shove them. I'll leave you to harp on your pet subject all you like and put you on the ignore list.
This is a BEV enthusiasts forum. What a shock to find actual BEV enthusiasts here!
Yes, this is a BEV enthusiasts forum. I'm here because I'm a BEV repeat offender and have been pushing for 100% electrification of transportation.
You're right - I don't know you. I'm not making assumptions about who you are, what you believe, or what you do. All I know is what people say here and based on that, a conversation requires that each of us should be open to being questioned. My confusion here (in yet another "FCEV are the spawn of the devil" threads) is PRECISELY because some here say they 'believe' in AGW but then they fight some of the solutions that can fix the problem!
My career and skillset has been heavily weighted towards data collection, analysis, and fusion - processes that tend to work toward holistic big-picture views and understanding. I completely realize that is in contrast to people with backgrounds in science and academia where the main thrust is to learn more and more about less and less in environments where the big-picture folks were laid off long ago in previous rounds of cost-cutting.
So - should you choose to peek out from under the ignore list - help me understand why otherwise intelligent people would rather promote plug-in hybrids rather than 100% fossil-fuel free solutions? Or, much more importantly, why do so many seem to think that once they 'accept AGW' they should be off the hook? AGW is not our only problem here folks - it's huge and certainly needs to be pretty close to the center of our collective radar screens - but no - driving a BEV, putting solar panels on the house and changing the thermostat a bit is nowhere near enough - especially in the USA.
If wanting to fix ALL the problems, or to point out that maybe we here have some more to learn, makes me 'holier than thou' then, well, it's still incorrect but as I chose to put the target on my forehead, feel free to keep shooting if you think that's the best choice.
Finally, since this is a Business, economy, and politics section of a forum - and since this is very much a business, economy, and politics problem - I do intend to keep asking questions so that I can continue to learn. If viewing questions that might bruise one's religious view is unsettling, then stay up in the sections about BEVs.
Back on topic: If you and others so strongly believe that ONLY BEV need apply, PLEASE help the rest of us understand how to make them happen as quickly as possible! Time's running out and the fossil fuel industry's still winning. And by the way - we STILL cannot make enough BEVs even at Model S prices to replace 80% of passenger cars by 2050 even if everyone in the world could afford to buy them! HOW WILL WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN?
Again - I ask because while I'm trying to understand why some believe as they do, much more importantly I'm trying to figure out how to FIX THE PROBLEMS that electric transportation will fix - and I absolutely do not know enough to do it alone.
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