SteveInSeattle
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This quote is from CH-7 in the owners manual. Why do they discourage 120 V charging?
SteveInSeattle said:This quote is from CH-7 in the owners manual. Why do they discourage 120 V charging?
I don't think that is the reason. Note that while discussing "normal" (L2) charging they say:cdub said:Someone on the driving tour sais it wasn't as good for the batteries as L2
If L1 isn't as good for the battery, why didn't they say, "Use of quick charge or trickle charge should be minimized ..."?NISSAN recommends using normal charging for usual charging of the vehicle. Use of quick charge should be minimized in order to help prolong Li-ion battery life.
planet4ever said:I don't think that is the reason. Note that while discussing "normal" (L2) charging they say:cdub said:Someone on the driving tour sais it wasn't as good for the batteries as L2
If L1 isn't as good for the battery, why didn't they say, "Use of quick charge or trickle charge should be minimized ..."?NISSAN recommends using normal charging for usual charging of the vehicle. Use of quick charge should be minimized in order to help prolong Li-ion battery life.
My own guess is that some marketing folk were worried that a potential customer might have the following dialog with a LEAF owner:
"Hey, nice looking car, but how do you fill the tank?"
"Oh, I just plug it in when I get home at night."
"You mean you just plug it in to an ordinary outlet?"
"Well, there is a fancy gadget you can buy that's supposed to charge it faster, but it's pretty expensive, so, yeah, I just plug in this special cord here that comes with the car."
"Interesting. How long does it take to charge that way?"
"Well if it's completely discharged, it can take more than twenty hours, but ..."
"TWENTY HOURS?? That's crazy! No way would I ever get a car like that."
TRONZ said:Some people say that Chocolate is better than Vanilla.
Could you expand on exactly what this "much simpler, cheaper reality" is? I find this charging issue a very complex question, depending very much on the nature of the battery pack (and what scheme might maximize its life/performance, which seems unclear at this point in time), as well as the individual situation of various owners (local utility tariffs/rates that might apply, whether they have a home solar system or not, their use of public/free charging stations, etc.) There seems to be quite a range of possibilities that may preclude a single "simple and cheap" reality for everyone. I know I'm still confused about the whole issue. Any clarity you could offer would be welcome.TRONZ said:Probably best if we all just swallow the L2 party line... instead of explaining the much simpler, cheaper reality. :roll:
And I want to know why Nissan is pushing the AV evse with twice the 3.3 Kw capacity. Seems like a waste to me and Leaf is supposed to be not wasteful.EVDRIVER said:, BS does not fly in the EV world and somehow they want us to believe that the perfect charge rate is EXACTLY 3.3 KW. Not more. not less.
EVDRIVER said:Sometimes hammering a lead pack with current makes them last longer. Over charging or deep cycling them will kill them, Heat is a separate issue. Putting butter on battery terminals before mounting the cables will increase current by as much as 10%.
cdub said:Someone on the driving tour sais it wasn't as good for the batteries as L2
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