I think those economy figures are based on the larger "Imperial gallons," aren't they?
LeftieBiker said:I think those economy figures are based on the larger "Imperial gallons," aren't they?
That's still 70 to 80mpg in non-electric, non-hybrid vehicles.Lancpudn said:LeftieBiker said:I think those economy figures are based on the larger "Imperial gallons," aren't they?
They are indeed Imperial measurements.
Lancpudn said:1. Peugeot 208 1.6 BlueHDi - 94.2mpg
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Not only are they in larger Imperial gallons, they're on WAY inflated European vs. the US mileage tests.IssacZachary said:That's still 70 to 80mpg in non-electric, non-hybrid vehicles.Lancpudn said:LeftieBiker said:I think those economy figures are based on the larger "Imperial gallons," aren't they?
They are indeed Imperial measurements.
And a few years ago, the EPA test was changed slightly yet again. The previous time was with model year 2008.One last fuel-economy tidbit: Don’t even think of comparing EPA figures with standardized fuel-economy tests from other countries because the test cycles are very different. For example, the European highway rating, called “extra urban,” is higher than the EPA’s by about 30 percent, so a rating on that cycle of, say, 60 mpg, would be closer to 40 in this country. The mainstream press, not realizing the difference, often complains that automakers refuse to bring efficient models here when, in fact, they may not be all that efficient when measured by U.S. standards.
There are two parts to emissions:IssacZachary said:I was wondering where all the super fuel efficient cars were. Here in the USA everyone I talk to still thinks 30mpg is great fuel mileage. If they get 20 they're happy. But I used to get as much as 60mpg in my ol' 1985 VW. I thought that surely technology has advanced enough to get better fuel mileage than that. But when comparing fuel mileage records with Prius owner's I usually got substantially better fuel mileage driving that ol' piece of junk than they did. And how does burning more fuel lower emissions levels?
And so did diesel engines when they first came out.rmay635703 said:Lean burn cars like the original Honda Insight emitted some of the lowest levels of NOx for it's time
This is why I've contemplated making a steam powered range extender for my Leaf. Some of the steam cars back in the 20's got emissions levels that would meet modern day CARB standards (i.e. Doble Steamer). Although I wouldn't expect to get more than 15mpg (which is what the 6,000lb Doble got).cwerdna said:- pollutants/air toxics (EPA didn't even consider CO2 to be a pollutant until a few years ago): this has no direct relationship to how much fuel is burned:
IssacZachary said:And so did diesel engines when they first came out.rmay635703 said:Lean burn cars like the original Honda Insight emitted some of the lowest levels of NOx for it's time
Sadly with any ICE there doesn't seem to be any win-win situation. Leaner, more advanced timing and higher compression ratios all equate to better efficiency and lower CO, HC, VOC and particulate emissions, but also more NOx emissions. ).
Do you think that if I just use used and strained veggie oil in my ol' diesel I'd be better off than buying diesel fuel at the fueling station? Maybe I could start a doughnut shop in order to fuel my long distance trips. Suggestions??? But maybe I need to first start a different thread though since I don't think selling doughnuts is going to affect the value of my Leaf, unless I use my Leaf as a doughnut delivery car. Mmm...rmay635703 said:If the refinery makes 10x more emissions per gallon than your car are you really creating more pollution by saving fuel?
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Further the only way to reduce the overall pollution from an ICEV is to reduce petroleum use.
The refinery always puts out an order of magnitude more pollution than the cars burning the stuff.
LeftieBiker said:You get 62.5 mpg in your Prius???
Absent serious hypermiling, that's plug-in Prius territory. I'm not sure about the Gen II, but the Gen III Prius gets roughly 49-55MPG. My housemate's lifetime average for her PIP is about 72MPG, IIRC. That's a bit higher than typical, because she can run all in-town errands in EV mode.
It's really not that hard at all to have a basic Prius get into the 60+ mpg range. Keep in mind that driving with cruise control on at 60 mph should result in fuel economy of around 60 mpg, and closer to 70 mpg at 50 mph.LeftieBiker said:I suppose that the people on that list don't hypermile either? Remarkable. ;-)
Since 2012 used leaf values track a value pattern ofsparky said:Uh, guys. Check thread topic please. ^
Interesting. Just roughly speaking, it appears that a Leaf loses $1300/yr (except between '15 & '16 which is $5600). So as long as you're saving $1300 in gas, it's a wash. I guess I'll keep driving my 2011 to zero, only 5 years to go.ENIAC said:Here's what CarGurus are showing for used LEAF retail pricing over the last 30 days and 90 days.
Year Avg Price Last 30 Days Last 90 Days
2011 $7,277 -1.54% - 3.28%
2012 $8,590 +2.77% -+3.57%
2013 $9,829 +4.40% -+11.44%
2014 $11,280 +1.90% -+14.17%
2015 $12,462 -1.77% -+12.41%
2016 $18,034 -0.73% -+6.61%
Pricing is likely skewed by the number of vehicles coming off of lease at certain times of the year. Also, when I looked into the data the value play is the 2014 LEAF S. If that trim suits you, many can still be had for $8,000 - $8,500 with reasonable mileage. That's a whole lotta car for that price.
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