adric22
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garygid said:NOT using this HUGE existing infrastructure is ... totally STUPID!
Not totally stupid. There is a reason for it. For starters, to use a dryer socket or hot-water heater socket, would require unplugging that device and plugging the car in. That would mean many plugs/unplugs every day. The sockets are not designed for that. Also, many dryers are located inside of the house, which would require running a long cable outside to charge the car. Not smart.
RIGHT NOW, we need to tell Nissan, local building departments, and legislators that we DENAND the right to plug-in. If we did not understand and accept that there are safety issues with fueling, we would not fuel our gas cars.
That is insane. I am not going to demand a right to something I know is not a right. If somebody doesn't want me to plug my car into an outlet, that is their right. I am not going to attempt to take away other people's rights to satisfy my own in this case. So you are saying that if you drive a gasoline car that you should demand the right to fill up at private gas pumps at rental car facilities, etc.. It is the same concept.
So, BEFORE you put money down or pay for a Leaf, demand a 240v plug-in EVSE that can work at AT LEAST the popular 15, 30, and 50-amp sockets.
Now you are dreaming. Everyone on this forum wants a leaf already and is willing to live with the design as-is. Nissan has a waiting list a mile long and has no incentive to change this to please a minority of people like you.
Honestly, I'm fine with the design of the level-1 EVSE that Nissan includes. I believe their goal was to produce something reliable and safe until something new can be designed. I think that 3rd party companies will step in very soon (leviton?) with a 220V product that will do exactly what you want (and what I want). That is the great thing about market driven capitalism, somebody else will fill in the gaps.
Us early adopters are not stupid. We are well aware of the initial limitations of these cars and that currently there are few places to plug in. We also know that will change over time but by purchasing a Leaf now we recognized we are willing to live with the shortfalls in the meantime.