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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:57 am

There is no required maintenance on a Tesla during the warranty period. There is zero cost to owners. There are some suggested items like Nissan has that are mandatory but Tesla does not require them and they do not impact your warranty like they can with Nissan. In addition if you have an issue they just take care of it even if it was "related to maintenance" I've had this done and they just do what is needed. This is just a clear misunderstanding by people who do not own a Tesla or owners that don't know how to read or ask questions. In fact the required service by Nissan is much higher than Tesla's zero figure. The majority of things I see here about the Model 3 and S are simply false or speculation. To this point in time, IMO Tesla service exceeds anything I have ever experienced anywhere and they stand behind their products, good luck getting that type of service at Nissan or elsewhere. Not to mention you don't have to hear clueless double talk from service advisors.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:13 am

I'm still a little perplexed by that table then, aren't these services things Tesla recommends? Why would they recommend things that aren't needed?
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:22 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:It would appear from that chart the annual cost of those maintenance services ranges anywhere from $475 to $975 annually. Are these "optional" things? It doesn't sound like they are no-cost services unless you buy the maintenance plan(s), which of course means they are not no-cost.


So I think anyone would agree that most of those items are "optional" or "as needed" and very doable by either the end user (i.e. key fob battery replacement) or an independent mechanic (tire rotations and alignments) for FAR less than $475. The only possible truly costly item that may need to be done by Tesla is the drivetrain fluid service, whatever that is (odd that it's only a year 1 item).

I'd like to point out that Nissan is kind of the same. They "require" a brake fluid flush at least every 2 years which is over $100 (although you may be able to get it for less if you combine with another service, since basically the charge is one hour's worth of labor). They also "recommend" a cabin air filter replacement that could also cost you an hour's worth of labor if done standalone. But you can buy a replacement air filter yourself on Amazon and change it out with 45 minutes of your own time if you are so inclined (they certainly didn't make it easy though!)

I think the original point was that EVs in general (including Tesla AND Nissan) save maintenance costs. To claim Tesla's require $900 annually in service is a bit of stretching the truth. Claiming $0 is also stretching the truth. I think the general consensus would be that both are cheaper than ICE vehicles, and that the Tesla is going to average being slightly more than the Nissan.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:23 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:I'm still a little perplexed by that table then, aren't these services things Tesla recommends? Why would they recommend things that aren't needed?


Well they "recommend" that you change your smoke alarm batteries every 6 months. In fact my experience is that they last years before the batteries wear out.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:05 pm

About the only things I see that you avoid with an EV are engine oil and filter changes, fuel and air filters. I guess with a Tesla you also avoid the 12V battery. Spark plugs nearly last the life of the car these days. Everything else from wear items like tires, suspension bushings, brake fluid etc to stuff that can break like a power window motor all seem pretty much the same.

What will be interesting to see is how EVs fare at say the 12 year mark, when ICE cars seems to start leaking fluids from every seal and the labor to replace them all isn't worth the investment on an old car.

Now back to the Model 3 :D
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:55 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:I'm still a little perplexed by that table then, aren't these services things Tesla recommends? Why would they recommend things that aren't needed?


Needed and recommended are not the same. Look at what Nissan recommends on the LEAF let alone is in the maintenance schedule. What EV needs coolant changed even before 4 years? Even brake fluid changes based on some schedules are nonsense. Some MFG recommend you check your tire pressure weekly, do you?

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Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:04 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:Some MFG recommend you check your tire pressure weekly, do you?


I check my tire pressure EVERY time I go to the filling station.

Well, the only time I go to the filling station is to fill my tires with air...but still!!! :lol:
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:20 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:About the only things I see that you avoid with an EV are engine oil and filter changes, fuel and air filters. I guess with a Tesla you also avoid the 12V battery.
The S and X have a 12V battery.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:07 pm

jlv wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:About the only things I see that you avoid with an EV are engine oil and filter changes, fuel and air filters. I guess with a Tesla you also avoid the 12V battery.
The S and X have a 12V battery.

Shows what I know. I thought they relied solely on the DC-DC converter, unlike LEAF and Bolt.

Just for laughs I looked up the recommended (required?) maintenance for Nissan ICEmobiles:

Oil/filter change every 6 months
Cabin air filter every 18 months
Brake fluid every 24 months
Engine air filter every 36 months
Spark plugs at 126 months

I don't see why changing the brake fluid every 24 months would be any more or less advisable on an EV than on an ICE, and the necessity of changing the cabin air filter is certainly something where you can skimp. Really all you're saving on the EV is the oil changes and a few air filters; that's rounding error in terms of ownership costs.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:16 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:I don't see why changing the brake fluid every 24 months would be any more or less advisable on an EV than on an ICE, and the necessity of changing the cabin air filter is certainly something where you can skimp. Really all you're saving on the EV is the oil changes and a few air filters; that's rounding error in terms of ownership costs.


Well oil changes and also you should need to replace brake pads a lot less often. It can add up if you drive a lot of miles, but yes, not a huge factor.
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