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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:45 pm

C & D has to borrow a test car (!) and concludes the model 3 is not quite ready for prime time...

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2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range

The perils of outsize expectations.

...the Model 3’s result is in our real-world 75-mph highway fuel-economy test. Our calculated range of 200 miles is far below the EPA’s overall estimates of 310 miles in combined driving and 293 miles in highway driving, but it was certainly affected by the 28-degree-Fahrenheit ambient temperature....

Inconsistent panel gaps around the doors and myriad ill-fitting trim pieces were among the worst we’ve seen in recent memory.

Such a glaring misstep makes us wonder what Tesla could have made of the Model 3 without the ambition to produce so many cars so quickly. Although it shows promising flashes of cleverness in its execution, the Model 3 in its current form feels just shy of complete. What’s more, at $50,000 and up, it also falls short of its mission to provide affordable and accessible electric motoring to a wide spectrum of the population. As much as Tesla has achieved here in creating a nicely integrated, capable, and relatively fun entry-luxury EV, we’re still left waiting—along with all those hopeful would-be owners—for the Model 3 to change the world.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... est-review

Rational consideration of the model 3 negates one purchase:

Opinion: Why this Tesla car shopper sped away from the Model 3

...When I put down the $1,000 refundable deposit, I was making an emotional but semi-rational decision: I gave Tesla an interest-free loan to reserve my place so that in the future I could make a rational decision to buy the Model 3 or not. As that time approaches, it’s clear that it’s hard to commit $50,000 to a car that is unseen and undriven...

As I was contemplating writing a check for $55,000, the Model 3 started to feel less and less appealing. I started thinking about a three-year-old Model S instead (plus, I’d get to use Tesla superchargers for free). Or maybe I should wait for electric cars from other automakers.

I share this experience because I’m probably not the only one thinking this way. As the dollar meets the road and a lot of Model 3 depositors visit Tesla showrooms, they will likely have similar second thoughts. Consequently, Tesla may discover that lower Model 3 production levels will be sufficient to meet declining demand after a raft of deposit cancellations...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-t ... 2018-04-05
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:33 pm

edatoakrun wrote:C & D has to borrow a test car (!) and concludes the model 3 is not quite ready for prime time...

Instrumented Test

2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range

The perils of outsize expectations.

...the Model 3’s result is in our real-world 75-mph highway fuel-economy test. Our calculated range of 200 miles is far below the EPA’s overall estimates of 310 miles in combined driving and 293 miles in highway driving, but it was certainly affected by the 28-degree-Fahrenheit ambient temperature....

Inconsistent panel gaps around the doors and myriad ill-fitting trim pieces were among the worst we’ve seen in recent memory.

Such a glaring misstep makes us wonder what Tesla could have made of the Model 3 without the ambition to produce so many cars so quickly. Although it shows promising flashes of cleverness in its execution, the Model 3 in its current form feels just shy of complete. What’s more, at $50,000 and up, it also falls short of its mission to provide affordable and accessible electric motoring to a wide spectrum of the population. As much as Tesla has achieved here in creating a nicely integrated, capable, and relatively fun entry-luxury EV, we’re still left waiting—along with all those hopeful would-be owners—for the Model 3 to change the world.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... est-review

Rational consideration of the model 3 negates one purchase:

Opinion: Why this Tesla car shopper sped away from the Model 3

...When I put down the $1,000 refundable deposit, I was making an emotional but semi-rational decision: I gave Tesla an interest-free loan to reserve my place so that in the future I could make a rational decision to buy the Model 3 or not. As that time approaches, it’s clear that it’s hard to commit $50,000 to a car that is unseen and undriven...

As I was contemplating writing a check for $55,000, the Model 3 started to feel less and less appealing. I started thinking about a three-year-old Model S instead (plus, I’d get to use Tesla superchargers for free). Or maybe I should wait for electric cars from other automakers.

I share this experience because I’m probably not the only one thinking this way. As the dollar meets the road and a lot of Model 3 depositors visit Tesla showrooms, they will likely have similar second thoughts. Consequently, Tesla may discover that lower Model 3 production levels will be sufficient to meet declining demand after a raft of deposit cancellations...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-t ... 2018-04-05



Wow, more opinions on value. Prob hard to find those. Well that's it I'm cancelling for sure now. Yet there are opinions that contradict those as well. What to do? Ed, I hope you can help me........ Perhaps you and Lorenfb can write a review together for all the non-buyers here.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:33 am

This video is a month old, but Nikki at Transport Evolved does a good job discussing the issues related to the Tesla Model 3:

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:50 am

RegGuheert wrote:This video is a month old, but Nikki at Transport Evolved does a good job discussing the issues related to the Tesla Model 3:



Thanks for your post, given the previous post.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:36 am

RegGuheert wrote:This video is a month old, but Nikki at Transport Evolved does a good job discussing the issues related to the Tesla Model 3:
Thanks for posting. I've followed Nikki's EV posts since about 2010. Her stuff is always just ok but usually a little long-winded. Granted, a month old makes it dated in the current environment but this was just a flaccid rant.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:47 am

TSLA is moving to solve it's biggest problem with model 3 sales.

Starting at ~$50 k, It just doesn't cost enough...

Dual-Motor Tesla Model 3 “Probably” Coming In July

Tesla chief executive Elon Musk claims that the long-awaited dual-motor Tesla Model 3 will “probably” arrive in July.

Asked on Twitter when the all-wheel drive Model 3 will arrive, Musk revealed that the company needs to achieve its goal of building 5000 Model 3s a week before it considers “adding complexity that would inhibit production ramp.”

Like the dual-motor systems used by the Tesla Model S and Model X, the dual-motor Model 3 will offer an improved range over the rear-wheel drive model while also providing much quicker acceleration. Pricing remains unclear but we can say with confidence Tesla buyers won’t have difficulty spending over $50,000 on a well-equipped dual-motor Model 3.

Interestingly, Tesla is only building the Model 3 in rear-wheel drive guise with the ‘Long Range’ battery pack. Additionally, only a single interior option is currently offered to customers but a second, complete with white upholstery, is in the works.

As the electric carmaker has yet to commence production of entry-level Model 3s, the $35,000 electric sedan is still some way off...

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/04/dual- ... ming-july/
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:54 am

edatoakrun wrote:TSLA is moving to solve it's biggest problem with model 3 sales.

Starting at ~$50 k, It just doesn't cost enough...

Dual-Motor Tesla Model 3 “Probably” Coming In July

Tesla chief executive Elon Musk claims that the long-awaited dual-motor Tesla Model 3 will “probably” arrive in July.

Asked on Twitter when the all-wheel drive Model 3 will arrive, Musk revealed that the company needs to achieve its goal of building 5000 Model 3s a week before it considers “adding complexity that would inhibit production ramp.”

Like the dual-motor systems used by the Tesla Model S and Model X, the dual-motor Model 3 will offer an improved range over the rear-wheel drive model while also providing much quicker acceleration. Pricing remains unclear but we can say with confidence Tesla buyers won’t have difficulty spending over $50,000 on a well-equipped dual-motor Model 3.

Interestingly, Tesla is only building the Model 3 in rear-wheel drive guise with the ‘Long Range’ battery pack. Additionally, only a single interior option is currently offered to customers but a second, complete with white upholstery, is in the works.

As the electric carmaker has yet to commence production of entry-level Model 3s, the $35,000 electric sedan is still some way off...

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/04/dual- ... ming-july/



Except there is VERY high demand for the AWD version, many early reservations and others were held to wait for this inc the employees. Keep on trolling....
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:51 am

Oh no and I shorted the sky to fall.

Summary
After months of fear, uncertainty and doubt, Tesla's Model 3 production is showing significant signs of improvement.
The company registered another record number of VINs in one day recently, and even Bloomberg's estimates have surged to well over 2,300 models per week.
Recent developments imply Tesla should be able to reach 5k per week Model 3 production relatively soon.
After production stabilizes Tesla should begin to implement its economies of scale capabilities coupled with its multifaceted competitive advantage to greatly improve margins and become profitable.

https://seekingalpha.com/amp/article/41 ... nt-arrived

The first line sums up their site MO - LOL
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:36 am

Tesla is now stuck in the difficult position with the Model 3 production, where if they can / and do increase the production rate much above the reported current 2,500 per week rate --- they will hit the 200,000 Cap Limit for the $7,500 Fed Tax refund this Quarter (ends June 30th).

That would then only give them only the 3rd Quarter of this year at the $7,500 refund and deliveries in the last Quarter of this year would qualify for only a $3,750 refund.

Gets only worse in 2019, the 1st Quarter refund would be only $1,875 (not much on a very expensive car) and zero after that.

If they do hold production down this Quarter, it will only delay hitting the Cap until the 3rd Quarter and delaying these numbers by 90 days (still not a good scenario).

2019 will also bring in new competion with 200 + mile range capabilities and they will all have the full $7,500 refund available --- makes a real price point advantage when Tesla starts selling $35,000 cars.

Tesla also has this little problem of having accumulated a reported $10B debt outstanding – give or take a few $B.
$3B is non-recourse debt (SolarCity) to Tesla, so hopefully Musk will make that good from his own pocket.

It is interesting to make a wild calculation just how many cars it would take to pay off some of this debt, say $5B with an average Tesla profit of $5,000 per car (very unlikely level). That is 1,000,000 (1 Million cars) with ALL profits being used to just retire $5B debt.

This is a very Big Debt Hole to dig out of.

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