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Re: Owners' comparison Tesla Model 3 vs NIssan Leaf

Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:59 pm

Nubo wrote:As for high top speeds being necessary for tunnel systems, it's my understanding that the cars will fit into standardized and controlled cradles which will provide the propulsion instead of the car.

It sounds like the "skates" were abandoned. Search below for skate.

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-b ... ng-tunnel/
https://electrek.co/2018/12/18/elon-mus ... ng-wheels/
In a press briefing ahead of the event tonight, Musk said the system could be added to a vehicle during the configuration for “$200 to $300.” He also said that it could be installed as an aftermarket product.

Regarding that $200 to $300.... hahaha... but it comes from Elon, so we know what that means... :)

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Re: Owners' comparison Tesla Model 3 vs NIssan Leaf

Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:23 am

lilly wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Saying the Model 3 is not a car is about as silly as saying it does not have a speedometer. It is, and it does.

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1. Also, car manufacturers generally don't put things in a car unless they really think you'll need them. This is because if they put stuff you don't need in the car, they'll have decreased profit margins. Why, then, does the Tesla Model 3 go 125 to 155 mph? The Leaf only goes 87 mph because the speed limit is only 75 mph. Speeds above 87 mph are not necessary. Why is it necessary for Tesla to make the Model 3 go over 125 mph? Check out Elon Musk's Boring company. He plans on building tunnels only for autonomous vehicles to go 125 to 155 mph in order to bypass traffic jams in cities with bad traffic such as L.A. This will be a "killer app" for autonomous driving. I have sat in L.A. traffic before. It took 2 hours to go 4 miles. At 155 mph, you could go anywhere in the greater L.A. area in less than 15 minutes.

2. Why do you think that Teslas have such a gigantic lcd screen? The Leaf has a tiny screen because Nissan thinks that's all that's necessary for a car that needs a human driver. I mean, you can't watch youtube on your lcd screen while driving, right? With autonomous driving, the humans in the M3 will be bored and need to watch Youtube or Hulu or Netflix. That's why Teslas all have that gigantic lcd screen.

3. No, the Model 3 has no speedometer. A speedometer is a "meter" for speed. It is a dial that is in front of you, for easy visibility. The stupid speed on the lcd screen's corner is NOT a speedometer. It is an afterthought. This Tesla model 3 is NOT a car. It is an autonomous transportation device from the future. I predict that in a couple of years, owners of Teslas will wake up one morning and via an OTA update, their Tesla will be able to take them anywhere via a voice command. No driving would be necessary. You'd be able to go anywhere in the greater metropolitan area of any city in less than 15 minutes. Once you've experienced this, nobody would ever want to travel by land in a "car" ever again. The difference between a Tesla and a "car" is like the difference between a smart phone and a flip phone. Once you've used a smart phone, you'll never use a flip phone ever again.

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1. There are plenty of places where you can drive 90mph while just keeping up with other cars - and a lot faster on some parts of Autobahn.

2. "what is necessary" is such a relative thing (for someone power steering is not necessary... but most people would disagree and it is up to every customer to pick what car to buy) - if we all used vehicles that are just "what is necessary" the whole car industry would be producing less than 10 car models...

3. Model 3 speedometer is a lot more user-friendly than conventional speedometer on my current FCA vehicle (it very often is blocked by the steering wheel and when it is visible I have to look about as far from the road to see it as with Model 3 speedometer). Sure, I would also prefer if Model 3 had at least optional HUD, but I dont consider it to be a big deal.

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Re: Owners' comparison Tesla Model 3 vs NIssan Leaf

Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:00 am

lilly wrote:That's why I bought the Tesla Model 3.

Test drive, I believe.
As for your posts, they read like half-baked conspiracy theories. Thanks for the laugh
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Re: Owners' comparison Tesla Model 3 vs NIssan Leaf

Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:33 am

lilly wrote:No, the Model 3 has no speedometer. A speedometer is a "meter" for speed. It is a dial that is in front of you, for easy visibility. The stupid speed on the lcd screen's corner is NOT a speedometer.
By that argument, my 2013 LEAF didn't have a speedometer either.
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Re: Owners' comparison Tesla Model 3 vs NIssan Leaf

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:42 pm

@lilly, I appreciate your post for the out-of-the-box opinions, some of which I found chucklesome, but I do have to correct some outright errors.

1- Not sure about your working definition of a car, but for those agencies I care about, my Model 3 is definitely a car. Those agencies include: bank, insurance company, State registration and titling agencies, Federal tax credit (IRS), and most importantly, wife. All are pretty insistent that it is a car. I've even heard representatives of some of those agencies use phrases like: "What's the model year of your car?", "What's your car's mileage?", "And just who is going to clean up the fur the dogs left in the car?", and while I have no desire to be disagreeable with you, you've provided no argument that would convince any of those entities otherwise. Nor me if I'm honest.

2- The camera above the Model 3's rearview mirror facing inward has not been activated in any release of software to date. Don't know if it ever will be.

3- I especially liked your conclusions as to why you could unlock the doors via phone app. I thought pretty much every vehicle's door lock, when unlocked, would let you in. Also, my 2012 LEAF has this, and every car I've owned this decade had a smartphone app that allowed the same thing. Prior to that it was a function performed exclusively by a key fob, and before fobs a real key (remember those?). This "feature" is no longer competitive advantage...it has to be there as ante to play.

4- I just about blew my coffee through my nose I started laughing so hard whilst reading about how manufacturers don't equip vehicles with things unless you need them. So for a short sample, I NEEDED the wings on my '59 Buick Electra 225, NEEDED posi-traction on other cars, NEEDED footrests in a '68 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham, NEEDED rain-sensing wipers, NEEDED cruise control and later TACC, NEEDED maintenance reminders, NEEDED wire wheels on my '64 Ford Thunderbird, you get the point. Truly humorous. And then what about the things manufacturers and I disagree I need: spare tires, tire patch kit better than slime, maps that are less than a few years old and updatable OTA, USB charging ports offering more than 1A to charge, how about a 120v outlet (I know, some vehicles have that, mostly minivans for obvious reasons, but I'm jealous), and Sirius/XM that I've used once during the trial and have found no use case for but get to pay for the installed hardware anyway, and so on. At least my Model 3 doesn't have the Sirius/XM nor the old maps information issues for me. Again, remembering your statement brings a smirk and I thank you for the uplift.

5- Just when I got composed after the "manufacturers need" thingie, I read that you explained why the Model 3 has no speedometer. A chuckle crept right back in. Outright BS. Most definitions state "...an indicator of the rate of speed..." (Merriam Webster, Oxford English, FreeDictionary, etc.), so the 3's display, the LEAF's digital number, the HUD's on some vehicles, and yes, even an analog presentation all meet the def. I'm not sure any manufacturer still makes a "meter" that is embedded in a dash to display speed...they're all digital displays driven by sensors elsewhere in the vehicle. Whether that digital display is a round circle in front of you or just digits on a display next to the steering wheel, it is still a digital display, and certainly a speedometer by any realistic definition. The speedometer in my '64 Ford T-Bird is a long horizontal white line that turns red as speed increases. So I guess for 50+ years I've been driving it without a speedometer...who knew?

I love my Japan-made 2012 LEAF SL with its comfort, heated steering wheel, and supportive plastic-recycled-into-cloth seating, I just wish I could take it somewhere beyond 25 miles away. I love my USA-made Model 3 with its range, automation, handling, lots of appropriately-placed charging sites, and constant improvements. I hope you derive as much joy as have I. And again, thanks for the grins and chucks.
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Re: Owners' comparison Tesla Model 3 vs NIssan Leaf

Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:57 pm

I loved my Leaf. It was fresh, unique, innovative, efficient. I feel the same way about my M3, but it's a far better car as it should be - much newer and 30% more expensive. To deny that is delusional I don't have to hate one to love the other.

Now, about that "not a car"... I can assure you that the M3 is a real driver's car. The ride is taut not harsh. Handling incredible. Acceleration fabulous. Ergonomics superb. The screen is just a screen., get over it. It works well, I like it. This i s a great car.
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Re: Owners' comparison Tesla Model 3 vs NIssan Leaf

Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:22 pm

To be fair the sales person at the Tesla dealership did tell me that the inside facing camera was for (I'm paraphrasing) "in the future if you use your car autonomously for Uber or similar you'll be able to keep an eye on the people in the car"

She also really pushed the fact that every Tesla M3 comes equipped with all of the hardware needed for autonomous driving and that I'd always be a software update away from the latest tech in that regard.

It's clearly a drivers car in terms of performance and feel but at the same time it is designed to be human optional at some point. I'm not sure yet if it is best of both worlds or a lot of unnecessary tech for a car that you want to drive fast in.
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Re: Owners' comparison Tesla Model 3 vs NIssan Leaf

Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:38 am

jlv wrote:
lilly wrote:No, the Model 3 has no speedometer. A speedometer is a "meter" for speed. It is a dial that is in front of you, for easy visibility. The stupid speed on the lcd screen's corner is NOT a speedometer.
By that argument, my 2013 LEAF didn't have a speedometer either.


Nor my old Prius or Volt.
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Re: Owners' comparison Tesla Model 3 vs NIssan Leaf

Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:17 am

SanCarlosJeff wrote:
jlv wrote:
lilly wrote:No, the Model 3 has no speedometer. A speedometer is a "meter" for speed. It is a dial that is in front of you, for easy visibility. The stupid speed on the lcd screen's corner is NOT a speedometer.
By that argument, my 2013 LEAF didn't have a speedometer either.


Nor my old Prius or Volt.

Nor my 1964 T-Bird.
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Re: Owners' comparison Tesla Model 3 vs NIssan Leaf

Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:07 pm

Since this thread is a comparison between Tesla Model 3 and LEAF, I have a question that was never answered in another thread: How much charge would be lost if I parked a Model 3 at the airport or my office for 3 weeks in Phoenix in June (day time temperatures of 105 to 120 F) without being plugged in. My Leaf has virtually the same SOC (state of charge) when I return as when I park and it keeps the 12-volt battery charged so it is always ready to drive home.
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