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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:21 pm

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GRA wrote:It upsets everyone who'd consider a Tesla, but finds that they still can't get there from here. I t also upsets current owners who bought a car based on Tesla's claims, which showed SCs would be built in their area that would enable them to use the car for road trips, and who are still waiting years later for those SCs to appear.
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The SC network already enables drives that are impossible in any other BEV. I'd say most owners - who use it - are very happy with it. It's Tesla's massive competitive advantage above all the other makers of BEVs. And it's not stagnant. Tesla keeps announcing coming soon... and then they build them.

Go post that comment in the thread "Suggestions for NIssan Charging Stations". That thread was started before this one. How many has Nissan added in the last 5 years?

The issue isn't whether the SC network "enables drives that are impossible in any other BEV," or that it has given them a competitive advantage. We know that, I've said that, and have given Tesla pats on the back because of it. That advantage will be decreasing rapidly over the next few years as the Electrify America and Canada networks will whittle down that advantage in North America, and in Europe high-speed QC networks are springing up quite rapidly now - China is boosting their own GB/T networks. that Nissan and most BEV manufacturers haven;'t supported QCs is obvious, but then they shouldn't have to; it;'s not their business. Tesla did it because they had to, given that long range BEVs were their major selling point.

No, the issue is whether Tesla has completed their own announced SC plans (along with many other projects) on time, and they've failed so often and on such a large scale that their word has become devalued.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:01 pm

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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:40 pm

That seems to be what I hear from
every Tesla owner although a few don’t even use an SC ever.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:51 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:That seems to be what I hear from
every Tesla owner although a few don’t even use an SC ever.


There is no doubt Tesla has fallen short every year.
As an owner who uses the SC network to travel cross country, I don’t really care.
They shoot for the stars and only make it to Mars. I’m still waiting for another company to leave their own driveway.

I do agree though, that every year they fall short, by a lot, it reduces the value of their next prediction.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:58 pm

Zythryn wrote:I do agree though, that every year they fall short, by a lot, it reduces the value of their next prediction.


I expect them to carry through, albeit with delay.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:13 am

GRA wrote:
jlv wrote:I keep seeing "best is the enemy of good enough" and really think that applies here.

I posted because it's not yet good enough,


Not good enough for you, perhaps. You are not the average person.

Remember my neighbors in suburban Boston, the longest trip they ever took by car was to Springfield? That's Springfield, MA and not some other state's Springfield. They had flown to Hawaii, Florida, Europe, ....

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Springf ... orough,+MA

With a Bolt or a 2018 Leaf with a 60kWh battery, this trip and every other trip they take could be charge at home only. No public charging needed. The average is probably between them and you.

You are not average, and they are not average. To sell 1%, 2%, 4%, 8%, 16%, 32%, or 64% of vehicles as BEVs, BEVs don't need to meet your needs. They need to meet the needs of the people buying them. Which doesn't include you, we get that.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:53 pm

WetEV wrote:
GRA wrote:
jlv wrote:I keep seeing "best is the enemy of good enough" and really think that applies here.

I posted because it's not yet good enough,


Not good enough for you, perhaps. You are not the average person.

Which is exactly what I said, that it wasn't good enough for people like me who traveled to remote areas off the interstates, and who parked their cars in places with no access to charging (or electricity FTM).

WetEV wrote:Remember my neighbors in suburban Boston, the longest trip they ever took by car was to Springfield? That's Springfield, MA and not some other state's Springfield. They had flown to Hawaii, Florida, Europe, ....

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Springf ... orough,+MA

With a Bolt or a 2018 Leaf with a 60kWh battery, this trip and every other trip they take could be charge at home only. No public charging needed. The average is probably between them and you.

WetEV wrote:You are not average, and they are not average. To sell 1%, 2%, 4%, 8%, 16%, 32%, or 64% of vehicles as BEVs, BEVs don't need to meet your needs. They need to meet the needs of the people buying them. Which doesn't include you, we get that.

You do? Glad to hear it, because you and others keep trying to tell me that I must own a BEV to understand its advantages. My point throughout, and the point you have consistently (until now, at least) refused to acknowledge, is that I do understand their advantages and disadvantages, have evaluated my car needs, have compared the capabilities that BEVs currently provide to those needs, and have determined based on practical and financial grounds that they are a poor fit for people like me at this time.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:08 pm

GRA wrote:My point throughout, and the point you have consistently (until now, at least) refused to acknowledge, is that I do understand their advantages and disadvantages, have evaluated my car needs, have compared the capabilities that BEVs currently provide to those needs, and have determined based on practical and financial grounds that they are a poor fit for people like me at this time.


And you make a point of consistently pointing the disadvantages of BEVs.

I have a modest suggestion for you.
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:31 am

GRA wrote:My point throughout, and the point you have consistently (until now, at least) refused to acknowledge, is that I do understand their advantages and disadvantages, have evaluated my car needs, have compared the capabilities that BEVs currently provide to those needs, and have determined based on practical and financial grounds that they are a poor fit for people like me at this time.


So what do you drive? Because its all about need... so lets start with your need?
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Re: Tesla Supercharger Network

Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:33 am

WetEV wrote:
GRA wrote:My point throughout, and the point you have consistently (until now, at least) refused to acknowledge, is that I do understand their advantages and disadvantages, have evaluated my car needs, have compared the capabilities that BEVs currently provide to those needs, and have determined based on practical and financial grounds that they are a poor fit for people like me at this time.


And you make a point of consistently pointing the disadvantages of BEVs.

I have a modest suggestion for you.

I make a point of pointing out where specific technologies work well and where they don't. Feel free to make any suggestions you like, just as I do.
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