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Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:02 am

Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator? One that could be towed or possibly fit in storage compartment? I live in Phoenix but occasionally travel to Tucson. Would love to rent a generator for the longer trips.
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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:47 am

Fit in a storage compartment, don't count on it; generators that powerful are too big and heavy to just move in and out, and there's all sorts of noise, heat, and pollution issues. Towable, there already are towable generators, although someone will need to hack the vehicle to accept a charge while in motion, and the vehicle will have to be capable of towing. If it's at all possible, I'm sure someone like AC Propulsion will do it. It really seems the logical solution; I mean, a single trailer could be shared among a dozen different people. They readily lend themselves to rental or all sorts of other similar systems.

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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:52 pm

DanCar wrote:Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator? One that could be towed or possibly fit in storage compartment? I live in Phoenix but occasionally travel to Tucson. Would love to rent a generator for the longer trips.

I suspect Nissan is lookning more towards a charging infrastructure - charging stations placed like gasoline stations currently are along the freeway. Specifically for us Phoenix/Tucson people, I doubt we'll have to worry about this. I would imagine that there will be one or two charging stations somewhere between the two cities to let us "fill up" and be able to make the trip.

We'll have to wait and see.

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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:36 pm

KarenRei wrote:Fit in a storage compartment, don't count on it; generators that powerful are too big and heavy to just move in and out, and there's all sorts of noise, heat, and pollution issues.
Yes, the vehicle would have to be designed from the beginning to handle those issues. The "heavy" issue can be handled by the rental station using a crane. Athough I'm not sure it has to be that big. What if it only supplied an additional 5kW? That still would be helpful. Worst case is that you would have to drive at 50mph on the freeway. In cold climates the heat would be helpful. Anyways, the trailer idea seems better. Too bad GM didn't chose this option for the volt.
JasonT wrote:I suspect Nissan is looking more towards a charging infrastructure ... I would imagine that there will be one or two charging stations somewhere between the two cities to let us "fill up" and be able to make the trip.
I'd rather tow a generator then wait 30 minutes at a gas station. Also I can head down to Mexico if I wish, with out worrying if there are charging stations.

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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:55 pm

5kW generators are still like 200lbs -- not the sort of thing you want to load in and out. And even if the Leaf used 250Wh/mi at 55mph, that would take almost 14kW to sustain.

Trailers are the way to go. Hopefully Nissan will make this a possibility. Just give us a trailer hitch that can tow 500lbs, have an option for a rear charging port, and we're a go. :) I really do believe that's going to be the best solution for the general public until rapid charging becomes fast and common enough, wherein that will become the solution until ranges get long enough that you can do a full day's driving on a single charge. Wherein who cares how fast you can charge, so long as you can fill up overnight and during meals. ;)

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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:31 pm

For a longer weekend trip wouldn't it be easier to just rent a regular car?
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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:03 pm

I would think not. And I'd expect this to be cheaper, too.

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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:31 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:For a longer weekend trip wouldn't it be easier to just rent a regular car?
I think many people, like myself have a personal attachment to their car. The rental process is a pain including the visual inspection. I would think picking up a trailer would be easier, or even easier if a few neighbors shared one.

I've had 4 cars in my household. Long term (7 years) would be good if all were electric and had one trailer to share among them.

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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:31 pm

KarenRei wrote:5kW generators are still like 200lbs -- not the sort of thing you want to load in and out. And even if the Leaf used 250Wh/mi at 55mph, that would take almost 14kW to sustain.


I've wondered about this. To be sure, you would need a 20 to 25KVA generator. Nissan should provide a charger at the back.

How much is that Rav4EV trailer in terms of continuous kw ?

edit : Something like this. 17.5 KW. 10 hours operation @ 1.6 Gallons/hour.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/ ... _200379773

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Re: Is Nissan researching a gasoline based electricity generator

Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:39 pm

evnow wrote:
KarenRei wrote:5kW generators are still like 200lbs -- not the sort of thing you want to load in and out. And even if the Leaf used 250Wh/mi at 55mph, that would take almost 14kW to sustain.


I've wondered about this. To be sure, you would need a 20 to 25KVA generator. Nissan should provide a charger at the back.

How much is that Rav4EV trailer in terms of continuous kw ?


20KW DC, the LongRanger trailer also weighed in at # 350

see darels link: http://www.evnut.com/rav_longranger.htm

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