Oilpan4
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:13 am

If money is no object or a life time of debt sounds cool then tesla for sure.
Even after its paid off and out of warranty same applies.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
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Evoforce
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:04 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:10 am
Tesla has made, and currently makes, superior electric cars compared to Nissan. Anyone who cannot acknowledge that is either uninformed or stubbornly stuck to the Nissan Brand


Tesla makes cars that have superior performance to the Leaf. That is unquestioned. Tesla does not, however, make a car that is in the same price range as the Leaf and is also as comfortable. They do not make a car in the same price range (and possibly not at all) that is as disability-friendly and older-driver-friendly as the Leaf, either. Maybe in the future Tesla will make a car that is affordable, has easy entry and exit, and a heated steering wheel. (Windows that don't seal the doors closed in frigid weather would also be helpful.) Until then, the Model 3 and the Leaf are apples and oranges, and some people just prefer apples, while others prefer oranges. Until Tesla fa, er, aficionados stop trying to force-feed orange lovers applesauce, we will continue to regard you with some skepticism and wariness.
You are hilarious! :P
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

Evoforce
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:11 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:13 am
If money is no object or a life time of debt sounds cool then tesla for sure.
Even after its paid off and out of warranty same applies.
You can now buy 6-7 year old Model S in the high $20,000 to low $30,000 range. For sure you cannot buy a $3,500 Tesla and there are good reasons for that.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:00 am

The Tesla 3 is still priced (as an out the door price) at a 20-40% premium to the Leaf (And guessing the Kona/Niro) as well.

A base SR+ with nearly no options is still 39K with delivery including the destination fees ($45 with full Autodrive). Post the utility and federal discount, you can get an SL plus out the door for about 33K. (Less in some cases). So about a 20% difference. If you drop to the SV (with tech/weather) that jumps to 30%, and at the S you are at 40% difference in price.

Obviously a feature discussion will ensue, but I don't think its accurate to say the cars are priced the same. I am also not considering the insurance premium that comes with the Tesla. Even though this thread doesn't sound like it, I am a Tesla fan, and love the look of the cars. I absolutely don't trust myself in one though given my history earlier in life with Sport Cars. Even the Leaf Plus has way too much power in my opinion. I think they should have saved weight and reduced the motor unit size. A 12 second 0-60 sounds great (Like my 2003 Kia Optima) The acceleration from 50 - 80 is really quite impressive in the Leaf Plus. Better than my 85 TransAm or 75 Camaro.

Alex on autos, and a few other have put the Leaf+ and SR+ at equivalent range all things included (with AC/Heat, mixed use driving, etc..)
2019 SV Plus Silver
2013 Leaf SV
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Max distance on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
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webeleafowners
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:21 am

Evoforce wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:02 am
Tesla has made, and currently makes, superior electric cars compared to Nissan. Anyone who cannot acknowledge that is either uninformed or stubbornly stuck to the Nissan Brand. Tesla is not going out of business and to say it is, is grasping at straws. One could also say that Nissan will stop producing electric cars as well... Might as well just say you are a Nissan fanatic or fan boy. Nothing wrong with that really. Just admit that, no matter what, you will choose Nissan. No need to rationalize then. :)
Two different cars. Both do certain things well. We love Tesla’s in general and looked closely at the three. 4 test drives confirmed that it wouldn’t work for us for a variety of reasons. The Eplus is a perfect fit for us but we’ll miss the performance of the three and the Supercharger network. However neither of those things is important enough to put up with the things that aren’t right about it. Budget was not a big consideration. We actually considered an S but it’s just too big.

Glad you are happy with your Tesla. Great car. Not the only car.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:18 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:10 am
Tesla has made, and currently makes, superior electric cars compared to Nissan. Anyone who cannot acknowledge that is either uninformed or stubbornly stuck to the Nissan Brand


Tesla makes cars that have superior performance to the Leaf. That is unquestioned. Tesla does not, however, make a car that is in the same price range as the Leaf and is also as comfortable. They do not make a car in the same price range (and possibly not at all) that is as disability-friendly and older-driver-friendly as the Leaf, either. Maybe in the future Tesla will make a car that is affordable, has easy entry and exit, and a heated steering wheel. (Windows that don't seal the doors closed in frigid weather would also be helpful.) Until then, the Model 3 and the Leaf are apples and oranges, and some people just prefer apples, while others prefer oranges. Until Tesla fa, er, aficionados stop trying to force-feed orange lovers applesauce, we will continue to regard you with some skepticism and wariness.
+1
WetEV
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Most everything around here is wet during the rainy season. And the rainy season is long.
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lorenfb
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:38 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:10 am
Tesla has made, and currently makes, superior electric cars compared to Nissan. Anyone who cannot acknowledge that is either uninformed or stubbornly stuck to the Nissan Brand


Tesla makes cars that have superior performance to the Leaf. That is unquestioned. Tesla does not, however, make a car that is in the same price range as the Leaf and is also as comfortable. They do not make a car in the same price range (and possibly not at all) that is as disability-friendly and older-driver-friendly as the Leaf, either. Maybe in the future Tesla will make a car that is affordable, has easy entry and exit, and a heated steering wheel. (Windows that don't seal the doors closed in frigid weather would also be helpful.) Until then, the Model 3 and the Leaf are apples and oranges, and some people just prefer apples, while others prefer oranges. Until Tesla fa, er, aficionados stop trying to force-feed orange lovers applesauce, we will continue to regard you with some skepticism and wariness.
Great summary! As indicated in my signature, my recent choice decision confirms that view.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 74K miles, 48 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 4.5K miles, 115 Ahrs, 5.5 miles/kWh (average), Hx=98, SOH=99, DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

Yogi62
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:40 am

I like hatchbacks/station wagons/pickups. The Telsa Model 3 is a sedan. At least the Leaf's have ticked that box in a BEV at a (for me) reasonable price after tax breaks.

Oilpan4
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:14 am

I definitely don't want a used $20,000 car with limited range that requires hours of dwell time between long drives.
I'm good with my leaf that was $7,200 at 7 years old
And it won't burn my house down.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
Chargers: Panasonic brick moded for 240v, duosida 16a 240v and a 10kw setec portable CHAdeMO
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:48 am

As I posted in the other thread, the faster ChadeMo charging is absolutely there with the plus. The newer EA chargers let you take advantage of that charging rate (though certainly still catch up to a Model 3 or eTron).

EA receipt (started with 12% on the dash):
07/28/2019 08:57:49 PM
Lincolnwood Town Center
3333 W Touhy Ave.
Lincolnwood, Illinois 60712
charger #200014-01
Connector #2
Total paid: $6.07
Session ID: 35142
End state of charge: 50%
Total energy delivered: 22.1 kWh
Max charging rate: 73.29 kW
Charging time: 00:20:17
Grace period: 00:10 min
Paid idle time: 00:00
2019 SV Plus Silver
2013 Leaf SV
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max distance on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max distance on 19 Leaf: 242 Highway 4.5 miles/kWh (4.9 KWh remaining)

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