DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:49 am

HIOJim wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:As far as the battery issue, I think you simply had bad timing....

But as time passes, the line will become clearer. Its looking like builds after 3/2016 are ok so far but could be too early to tell but the packs from 10/15 to 2/16 showed degradation rapidly and early much like yours did so guessing either the later builds are fine or people simply don't have the tools like LEAF Spy to see that 12th bar fading...

My car is a 12/15 build so it would fall into the 'bad batch' you mention.

I hope your hypothesis is correct as I like what Nissan has done with the 2018. I'll be happy to turn it in my 2016 when its 24-month lease expires next April. If its battery wasn't fading so fast I'd consider keeping it as I got a good deal on it and it will have a low residual.


Well, the only thing we can do now is wait. See if later builds exhibit the same issue but yours being in a near perfect (Olympia is perfect mind you... 8-) ) Pacific Northwest climate is one thing but the speed at which you started seeing degradation is what caught my attention and the point I am trying to make with all these "Dave you are crazy" crowds. But now that we are seeing 3 and 4 bar losers, a few are starting to come around but if I am not mistaken, you started seeing a pretty large decline after only 3 months in what is normally perfect weather (Spring, early Summer)

Now my LEAF (build 10/16 picked up 2nd week of Nov 2016) has held up exceedingly well continuing the improvement in durability from my 2 previous LEAFs. I also have a VERY good residual and its a tempting purchase but I really have to see how my driving needs go. What I really need is a different job!
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LeftieBiker
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:19 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
HIOJim wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
So you mentioned the car was quieter. Did you hear "any" whine at all from the motor?

I admit I was concentrating on road noise but I don't recall hearing any motor whine.

Overall noise reduction was better than any of my previous Leafs but not as good as the 2017 Chevy Bolt I test drove two months ago.



I ask because the "Jetson takeoff" noise is quite noticeable inside the car but on my test drive, we had 4 people in the car (we were talkative) windows rolled down, etc. but I didn't hear anything even when accelerating so the motor noise seems to be all but gone. Pretty much confirms this is an all new motor


It confirms only that the VSP is less loud. Everything I've seen indicates that it's the same motor, and the inverter now provides it with more power.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:22 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
HIOJim wrote:I admit I was concentrating on road noise but I don't recall hearing any motor whine.

Overall noise reduction was better than any of my previous Leafs but not as good as the 2017 Chevy Bolt I test drove two months ago.



I ask because the "Jetson takeoff" noise is quite noticeable inside the car but on my test drive, we had 4 people in the car (we were talkative) windows rolled down, etc. but I didn't hear anything even when accelerating so the motor noise seems to be all but gone. Pretty much confirms this is an all new motor


It confirms only that the VSP is less loud. Everything I've seen indicates that it's the same motor, and the inverter now provides it with more power.


you haven't seen enough
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mtndrew1
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:39 pm

I’ve got my test drive set up for January 15th 2018 at my home. Looking forward to it!
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LeftieBiker
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:39 pm

you haven't seen enough


Great, thoughtful reply. I've been following the 2018 through the test mule phase when everyone else thought there was going to a whole new car. Nissan said explicitly at one point - Nissan, not some random blogger - that the inverter had been upgraded to provide extra power to the motor, which was itself largely unchanged. Thus the extra power is from the inverter change, not from a new motor. The old one was undoubtedly tweaked a bit, but if they had gone to the expense of developing a new motor I have no doubt that it wouldn't have an output of just 147HP. The fact that you confuse the VSP sound with the sound of the motor, which isn't normally even audible, does not give me confidence in your technical analysis.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:45 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
you haven't seen enough


Great, thoughtful reply. I've been following the 2018 through the test mule phase when everyone else thought there was going to a whole new car. Nissan said explicitly at one point - Nissan, not some random blogger - that the inverter had been upgraded to provide extra power to the motor, which was itself largely unchanged. Thus the extra power is from the inverter change, not from a new motor. The old one was undoubtedly tweaked a bit, but if they had gone to the expense of developing a new motor I have no doubt that it wouldn't have an output of just 147HP. The fact that you confuse the VSP sound with the sound of the motor, which isn't normally even audible, does not give me confidence in your technical analysis.


I think you need to reevaluate where the confusion lies. My only confusion is how VSP entered the conversation
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:41 pm

I think you need to reevaluate where the confusion lies. My only confusion is how VSP entered the conversation


Like a lot of people, you believe that the motor is making the sound that the VSP makes. Let's refresh your memory:

I ask because the "Jetson takeoff" noise is quite noticeable inside the car but on my test drive, we had 4 people in the car (we were talkative) windows rolled down, etc. but I didn't hear anything even when accelerating so the motor noise seems to be all but gone. Pretty much confirms this is an all new motor
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:14 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
I think you need to reevaluate where the confusion lies. My only confusion is how VSP entered the conversation


Like a lot of people, you believe that the motor is making the sound that the VSP makes. Let's refresh your memory:

I ask because the "Jetson takeoff" noise is quite noticeable inside the car but on my test drive, we had 4 people in the car (we were talkative) windows rolled down, etc. but I didn't hear anything even when accelerating so the motor noise seems to be all but gone. Pretty much confirms this is an all new motor


That is not VSP. VSP doesn't even exist above 15 mph
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:03 pm

You didn't give any speeds, except that "takeoff" and "accelerating" at least in the city, implies lower speeds. At any rate, the car has better sound insulation, not a new motor. Believe that or not as you wish, but before you keep saying it's new, verify that with Nissan. One car magazine already called the motor "new" for no good reason; let's not make it a trend.
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erco
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:32 pm

My test drive is set up for November 15th at my home. Looking forward to it!
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