webb14leafs
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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:50 am

LeafWannaBe984 wrote:This car would have a very light commute. No more than 30 miles roundtrip. The main issue would just be getting stuck in a traffic jam honestly. Yearly it will likely have less than 12K miles a year.

So 2015 models and up only have the lizard batteries? I would prefer to get a model that has the lizard batteries.

I usually hold on to to a car for about 12-14 years. I'm looking at used now because a New Honda is pretty expensive nowadays (would likely be over $20K). I thought about new for a Leaf, but that depreciation is very high and the used cars are very well priced.

New is around $26K for a Leaf, but 2015 used I'm finding for under $10K or bearly over that :shock:


For a 30 mile roundtrip commute I would definitely get a 2015 as long as you can find one with at least 90% SOC. I disagree with people telling you to buy new. Even if you can find one for around $23K (which you should be able to in the coming months), you're still paying close to $18K after taxes. That means the car depreciates ~ %40 in two years. Why pay that depreciation if you don't need the new features?

The only thing I worry about with the leaf is that we still don't know a lot about its long term reliability (10 years plus). There are some threads that report a big problem with the heating/cooling units that are very expensive to fix, but that was for earlier models so maybe it's been resolved.

For $10K you have to figure that if the car lasts you for around 7 years it was essentially free, so I'm fine if my car (2014 with 14,000 miles for $10K) is a hunk of junk by then.

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:18 pm

LeafWannaBe984 wrote:Could you explain that TCU update and only paying $1500 out of pocket for the new battery? How did that work? Was it within warranty or part of the negotiated price?


No, it was not in warranty. The terminology the Nissan tech used was a "Good Faith" replacement. I've seen rumors that Nissan may have discontinued the program, but most I've seen are paying 20% original cost of battery. Turned out to be $1,300. TCU is $199 but is a $600 job apparently, or so they claim. I only paid the total of $1500, TCU installed.

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:22 pm

booper wrote:Don't forget about the $7,500 federal income tax rebate. If your tax liability isn't large enough to take advantage of most (ideally all) of this amount, I would not consider a new Leaf. I would expect a new 2017 S with QC to cost significantly less than $20k when factoring in the rebate.


For used cars? CA DMV posts they don't for used, but I'm curious if Federal still gives rebate? If so, I need to find out how to apply for that.

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:33 pm

webb14leafs wrote:The only thing I worry about with the leaf is that we still don't know a lot about its long term reliability (10 years plus). There are some threads that report a big problem with the heating/cooling units that are very expensive to fix, but that was for earlier models so maybe it's been resolved.


I've read it starts on 2013 models with heat pumps. So 2011-2012 should be OK, likely 2015 and on should be OK. Issue with 2011-12 are that the heaters are much less efficient, but it is, what it is. I paid under $6k for my leaf, and am willing to deal with it :). Since my commute is 6.5 miles one-way, I've really not got anything to worry about, but for others, heat efficiency may make a big difference for them.

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:40 pm

I went used. I do not see much difference in relative price between 2013, 2014, and 2015 used Leafs with comparably average mileage. The 2016 and 2017 carry a much higher price so that did not make $ sense for another 23 miles. The sweet spot is 2015. Check the price trend graphs on https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/Nissan-Leaf-d2077. The 2015 with average usage will also have a decent battery SOH and good overall remaining warranty. The difference to new I can pocket for a potential new battery. My 'new' 2015 Leaf S looks new and I'm still in that happy new convert stage so I think everything about it is perfect, haha, let's check that in 6 months.
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webb14leafs
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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:32 am

haha, let's check that in 6 months.


I'm 6 months in with my 2014 and I still love it. One surprising thing to note is that the car had 87% SOH on LeafSpy when I bought it. After 6 months and a brutal South Florida Summer it has... 87% SOH. I expected it to lose that first bar, but it's still holding on tight.

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:39 pm

That Texas heat can be brutal, so a 2015 would be a wise-choice. A 30-mile round trip commute should be easy even down to 8 bars of battery life remaining. I say go for it!

One additional note about traffic jams. The AC will pull about 1.5kw at full blast, which you can interpret as losing ~6 miles of range for every hour stuck in traffic in the dead of summer. So on a degraded battery at full charge (65% of 21kwh = 13.65kwh), you can be stuck in traffic for ~4hrs under scorching sun and still make your round-trip commute (7.5kwh to drive 30 miles @ 65mph). In reality, once your cabin has been cooled, the AC throttles down so you won't consume as much power. Driving slower will save more power than AC.
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1 May 2017 - 7300 miles & 363 GIDs
6 Sep 2017 - 13k miles & 359 GIDs]

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:02 pm

Supersleeper wrote:
booper wrote:Don't forget about the $7,500 federal income tax rebate. If your tax liability isn't large enough to take advantage of most (ideally all) of this amount, I would not consider a new Leaf. I would expect a new 2017 S with QC to cost significantly less than $20k when factoring in the rebate.


For used cars? CA DMV posts they don't for used, but I'm curious if Federal still gives rebate? If so, I need to find out how to apply for that.


The Federal TAX CREDIT (not rebate) is only for new vehicle purchases. Used cars don't count, neither do leases (since you're technically not the owner). If you lease through NMAC, Nissan does pass the Federal tax credit on to you in the form of a $7500 contribution towards the Capitalized Cost Reduction (aka the "down payment").

It's important to note the difference between tax credit and rebate. Rebate means cash back; California's program works that way. But a tax credit means you have to wait for tax season to apply for it, and as booper mentioned you may not get the full amount back depending on your particular tax situation.

And yes the $7500 Federal tax credit is still in effect.
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Lease returned on 12/23/2015. Final LeafStat figures: 225 Gids, 17.44 kWH, SOC 91.89%, SOH 82.36%, 69.49% HX, 54.57 Ahr, battery temp 61.8 F
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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:10 pm

Supersleeper wrote:
LeafWannaBe984 wrote:Could you explain that TCU update and only paying $1500 out of pocket for the new battery? How did that work? Was it within warranty or part of the negotiated price?


No, it was not in warranty. The terminology the Nissan tech used was a "Good Faith" replacement. I've seen rumors that Nissan may have discontinued the program, but most I've seen are paying 20% original cost of battery...

The usual term in the car industry is goodwill.

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webb14leafs
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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:17 am

webb14leafs wrote:
haha, let's check that in 6 months.


I'm 6 months in with my 2014 and I still love it. One surprising thing to note is that the car had 87% SOH on LeafSpy when I bought it. After 6 months and a brutal South Florida Summer it has... 87% SOH. I expected it to lose that first bar, but it's still holding on tight.


Talk about the kiss of death. My car lost it's first bar yesterday. Apparently that brutal summer caught up with me. Still, if this translates to a capacity loss of 5-6% per year, I'll be fine for 5 years.

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