cmwade77
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Re: Anyone ever run out of juice?

Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:28 pm

GerryAZ wrote:The LEAF's DC-DC converter should handle the load of the Nissan L1 charger continuously through an efficient inverter (12 amperes at 120 volts requires a little over120 amperes at 12 volts because there is some loss in the inverter and wiring). There must be a connection between neutral and ground on the output of the inverter (either resistor or solid bond) for the Nissan EVSE to function. Both of my portable generators are inverter type so I know from testing that the EVSE will not charge unless there is a connection between the neutral and ground terminals of the receptacle. It does not require an actual ground connection such as a ground rod to function, but safety could be a concern if left unattended without a suitable ground.


Where are you plugging the charger in at? Is there an outlet that I am unaware of in the Leaf?

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Re: Anyone ever run out of juice?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:58 am

cmwade77 wrote:
GerryAZ wrote:The LEAF's DC-DC converter should handle the load of the Nissan L1 charger continuously through an efficient inverter (12 amperes at 120 volts requires a little over120 amperes at 12 volts because there is some loss in the inverter and wiring). There must be a connection between neutral and ground on the output of the inverter (either resistor or solid bond) for the Nissan EVSE to function. Both of my portable generators are inverter type so I know from testing that the EVSE will not charge unless there is a connection between the neutral and ground terminals of the receptacle. It does not require an actual ground connection such as a ground rod to function, but safety could be a concern if left unattended without a suitable ground.


Where are you plugging the charger in at? Is there an outlet that I am unaware of in the Leaf?


You need a high quality 1500-2000 watt inverter that you can connect to the 12-volt battery with heavy cables (cables will be carrying about 100 amperes). Make sure the LEAF which is providing the boost has plenty of charge left to get to a charging station after supplying about 4 kWh to the dead LEAF so you don't have two dead cars!
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
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Re: Anyone ever run out of juice?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:31 am

Nubo wrote:
garsh wrote:
Nubo wrote:In 6 years I have never run out. "Range anxiety" is an overplayed meme of FUDsters.
I guess when you never venture more than 10 miles from home, what's there to be anxious about.



FUD thrives on unsubstantiated claims parading as "guesses".
FYI I've taken a 24kWH LEAF on a 1200-mile road trip and I've made unrecharged drives over 100 miles. Reason, facts, and simple maths beat guessing every time.


That's my mindset, but of course things happen. I had joked about the viability of a EV rescue business, but I don't think there would be much demand here in Texas. I could see it being much more viable in California or other states a bit more pro-EV :)

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Re: Anyone ever run out of juice?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:20 pm

tattoogunman wrote:
Nubo wrote:
garsh wrote:I guess when you never venture more than 10 miles from home, what's there to be anxious about.



FUD thrives on unsubstantiated claims parading as "guesses".
FYI I've taken a 24kWH LEAF on a 1200-mile road trip and I've made unrecharged drives over 100 miles. Reason, facts, and simple maths beat guessing every time.


That's my mindset, but of course things happen. I had joked about the viability of a EV rescue business, but I don't think there would be much demand here in Texas. I could see it being much more viable in California or other states a bit more pro-EV :)


I don't mean to pretend that EV use doesn't present challenges. It's just that I think these are over-hyped. No technology is infinite, infallible or without challenges. I've run out of gasoline twice in my life; so far I have never run out of charge. Those two stats could just as easily have been reversed without incriminating either technology; it's not a big deal.

When people question me about this my answer is that it's really no different than driving a gasoline car. If you don't habitually run out of gasoline then you have enough sense to not habitually run out of charge. Anyone who has enough intelligence to obtain a drivers' license, has the ability to understand the capabilities and limitations of the vehicle they're using.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Anyone ever run out of juice?

Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:56 pm

Nubo wrote:
tattoogunman wrote:
Nubo wrote:

FUD thrives on unsubstantiated claims parading as "guesses".
FYI I've taken a 24kWH LEAF on a 1200-mile road trip and I've made unrecharged drives over 100 miles. Reason, facts, and simple maths beat guessing every time.


That's my mindset, but of course things happen. I had joked about the viability of a EV rescue business, but I don't think there would be much demand here in Texas. I could see it being much more viable in California or other states a bit more pro-EV :)


I don't mean to pretend that EV use doesn't present challenges. It's just that I think these are over-hyped. No technology is infinite, infallible or without challenges. I've run out of gasoline twice in my life; so far I have never run out of charge. Those two stats could just as easily have been reversed without incriminating either technology; it's not a big deal.

When people question me about this my answer is that it's really no different than driving a gasoline car. If you don't habitually run out of gasoline then you have enough sense to not habitually run out of charge. Anyone who has enough intelligence to obtain a drivers' license, has the ability to understand the capabilities and limitations of the vehicle they're using.


I agree with you and I have yet to run out of gas at almost 45 years of age ;)

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