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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:56 pm

IMO, the fact that Nissan later added such a warranty to address a product deficiency in that arena should not be held against them, particularly since they even extended the warranty past its written provisions for some customers.


I think that the fact that that capacity warranty was essentially court-ordered is very relevant. No brownie points for Nissan there.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:06 pm

Unlinear capacity 60-25%

I’m not sure if this is the right place for my issue, if not please correct me.

I’m driving a 2016 30kWh Leaf in Sweden
Recently I noticed that the battery % (andGIDs)
drops about 3 times faster between 60-25%.
Ie, at 80km/h, travel distance is around 1.5-1.8 km/%, but at battery capacity 60-25%, the travel distance is only 0.5-0.8km/% with same conditions.
I can see difference in SOC (35%) and GIDs%(10).
The difference is also visible in LeafSpy during charge, and is typical beteeen 25-60%.
Could it be due to a bad cell ?

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:54 pm

Lost my third bar today at 7,500 miles. 2016 SV, spent its first 5,000 miles in Arizona before I bought it and moved it to Virginia. Dropped its first bar the first time I charged it. So lost 3 bars in 2, 500 miles.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:56 pm

Yikes. Did you get the car hoping to get a free battery, or were you caught unaware of the issue with these packs?
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:33 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Yikes. Did you get the car hoping to get a free battery, or were you caught unaware of the issue with these packs?


That would be the latter--the 1st bar dropping on my first charge pissed me off. But it also netted some consideration from the seller, so net, if I get the battery replaced under warranty, I'll be happy. Either way, I'll have the car for a while.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:37 pm

That's good. IMO, people should buy a 30kwh Leaf only if they have modest (less than 80 mile) range needs. That's pretty ironic when you think about it...
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:58 am

RegGuheert wrote:
Durandal wrote:Or those of us with long memories regarding our 24kWh packs... Mine is about to drop it's 4th bar in about a month, and the warranty expired 3 months ago, with 42,000 miles. If Nissan decides to pay for half or more of the replacement pack, I will replace the pack, upgrade my TCU, and continue with it for a few years, and not write Nissan off as a brand. However, if they tell me to pound sand, I will limp along with my Leaf until I get my Model 3 at the end of this year, then sell the Leaf for a pittance.
I have a long memory and I remember signing a document at the time I purchased my LEAF specifically stating that the car had no warranty against gradual capacity loss. IMO, the fact that Nissan later added such a warranty to address a product deficiency in that arena should not be held against them, particularly since they even extended the warranty past its written provisions for some customers.

Well good for you, Nissan Apologist for defending Nissan's flawed design and CONTINUED flawed design as the thing STILL doesn't have active thermal management. Mine had a warranty when I bought it, so I didn't sign any such document.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:13 am

LeftieBiker wrote:That's good. IMO, people should buy a 30kwh Leaf only if they have modest (less than 80 mile) range needs. That's pretty ironic when you think about it...


The "No Worries Range" for any EV is about half of the EPA range. Somewhat more in milder climates, somewhat less in harsh climates.

Half of 107 miles is 53 miles. Well less than 80 miles.

Weather happens. Detours happen. Batteries degrade, even the best.

No irony intended.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:14 am

Durandal wrote:Well good for you, Nissan Apologist for defending Nissan's flawed design and CONTINUED flawed design as the thing STILL doesn't have active thermal management. Mine had a warranty when I bought it, so I didn't sign any such document.


Active thermal management didn't prevent Ford Focus Electric from losing capacity.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:20 pm

Durandal wrote:Well good for you, Nissan Apologist for defending Nissan's flawed design and CONTINUED flawed design as the thing STILL doesn't have active thermal management.
Hardly. But I also do not consider the lack of active thermal management to be a "design flaw". The issue is the lack of robustness in the battery. Hopefully Nissan will join others in building batteries that last a long time, but their 30-kWh battery certainly does not give confidence in that regard.
Durandal wrote:Mine had a warranty when I bought it, so I didn't sign any such document.
Of course not, since you got a capacity warranty with your purchase.
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