SeasonsAfter
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:04 pm

rick64 wrote:
cwerdna wrote:
rick64 wrote:2013 Leaf down to 8 bars. Bought it used in Feb 2016 with 11 bars/36k miles. We are in NorCal, summer temps get to 100 and cars sits in heat at work.

now at 45k miles. Service appointment is Thursday afternoon.

Yay! What was the build month? It's on the driver's side door sticker. I guess you're in a hotter part of Nor Cal.

Can you add your car to http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Real ... 3.75.25.29? Thanks!


car was built 01/13

yeah we live in Brentwood, CA. Summers can get pretty hot, rest of year is very mild though.

and I will add the car to the wiki


Nice job on getting a new battery! I think I may not make the warranty period. I have 4 months left but it seems like the canary batteries degrade much more than the newer packs.

Manufacture date 1/2013
In service date 2/21/2013
AHr - 47.21
SOH 72%
Hx - 65.58%
ODO 33k
205 GIDs on full charge
3rd battery drop a year ago

I live in San Diego so the heat could help me in the winter months. Seems with the data on 4th bar drops is I have too far to go...

It seems like the goodwill Nissan had for the 2011 and 2012 battery packs received some out of warranty assistance. Some indicate they paid a fraction of a new battery 10-20%. Now with the 2013 it seems like Nissan is making a line in the sand. If your battery doesn't drop 4 bars at the end of the 5 years/60k, there is no help what so ever...

2013 Nissan Leafs unite!! Any others out there in my same situation we need to stand up. This isn't right. They get assistance and now we are out of luck?
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 44.83 (all updated 2/1/2018)
SOH 68%
Hx 61.85%
35k on ODO
194 GIDs on full charge

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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:45 pm

BuckMkII wrote:Just out of curiosity: if you buy a used Leaf and get down to eight bars within five years, can Nissan deny the replacement if the previous owner didn't do the stupid annual battery check?

Matters not to me, since the only way my battery would be that bad within the five year clock is if I set the car on fire...


I specifically asked NOGASEV about this and their response was something like “the prior owner’s maintenance habits have no effect on the capacity warranty.” I took that to mean that the battery check history is irrelevant.
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mjblazin
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:33 pm

Received new 24 KW battery and PDM (power distribution module). Delivered battery 3 weeks after approval/order. One day to install. LeafSpy Pro indicates status as expected. Now it really is good car for fooling around city with maybe one charge a week.
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Corp Nissan approved my replacement (they now call it “condemnation). I get it in 3 weeks.
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2013 1st quarter - dropped 4th bar with AHr 41.058, HX 56.01, 20,139 Miles. Going to dealer on Monday for verification. Bought used from same dealer at 12,700 miles. I did battery check every time I visited dealer since March 2015 (state inspections, recall, telematics upgrade). All clean, last one included note from tech that I get a battery after losing one more bar.

My drop seemed overdue based on AHr, probably because of low mileage. I drive it several times a week with trips under 6 miles. I kept car covered from sun, but still exposed to ambient temperature in Texas. Longest drive was 25 miles. Only recently started using QC (EVGo) since Chargepoint not in this suburb.
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4th bar drop 56 month, 20,200 miles, AHr at 42.1
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:36 am

BuckMkII wrote:Just out of curiosity: if you buy a used Leaf and get down to eight bars within five years, can Nissan deny the replacement if the previous owner didn't do the stupid annual battery check?

Matters not to me, since the only way my battery would be that bad within the five year clock is if I set the car on fire...


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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:39 am

SeasonsAfter wrote:
Nice job on getting a new battery! I think I may not make the warranty period. I have 4 months left but it seems like the canary batteries degrade much more than the newer packs.

Manufacture date 1/2013
In service date 2/21/2013
AHr - 47.21
SOH 72%
Hx - 65.58%
ODO 33k
205 GIDs on full charge
3rd battery drop a year ago

I live in San Diego so the heat could help me in the winter months. Seems with the data on 4th bar drops is I have too far to go...

It seems like the goodwill Nissan had for the 2011 and 2012 battery packs received some out of warranty assistance. Some indicate they paid a fraction of a new battery 10-20%. Now with the 2013 it seems like Nissan is making a line in the sand. If your battery doesn't drop 4 bars at the end of the 5 years/60k, there is no help what so ever...

2013 Nissan Leafs unite!! Any others out there in my same situation we need to stand up. This isn't right. They get assistance and now we are out of luck?


you don't have a Canary battery.

it would appear you probably don't drive enough to make it. 33 k in nearly 5 years will make it a tough challenge.
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:06 am

Why don't you think I have the canary battery? From my reading in these forums is if the manufacture date is between 1/2013-3/2013 is that is the older technology battery.

Please explain. I know with my numbers is in four months having the AHr drop to 42 will be nearly impossible. HX as well.

Oh well, I am hoping Nissan can find it in their hearts to help out an owner when the bar drops after the warranty period is over. Getting a replacement battery for 10-20% of the cost would be great!

The Leaf is great, I love not paying for gas or oil changes or smog checks. Teslas are way too expensive and it seems like they have all kinds of maintenance issues.

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2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 44.83 (all updated 2/1/2018)
SOH 68%
Hx 61.85%
35k on ODO
194 GIDs on full charge

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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:19 pm

you don't have a Canary battery.



The pack that I call the "Canary pack" was made from 2011 through March of 2013. In 2013 the case was different, but since it appears to be chemically identical I consider the early build 2013 Leafs to have Canary packs.
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:23 pm

Thanks for the response, I thought I was correct that my Leaf 's battery is classified as the Canary type.

If any 2013 Leaf owners have dropped their 4th bar, I'd like to know what numbers you are showing through Leaf Spy. These number drops might be different from the 2011 and 2012 models.

It would peak my curiosity what these early 2013 Leafs are dropping the 4th bar but can't find much on the wiki battery site as most of the information is 2011 and 2012 models. Other later builds of 2013s don't seem to be having the degradation issues as much as the earlier EV adopters.

Any 2013 1/2013-3/2013 manufacture date numbers anyone can share? I would imagine this is a pretty specific request, any information would be most helpful!

Thanks for all the forum comments and suggestions.
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 44.83 (all updated 2/1/2018)
SOH 68%
Hx 61.85%
35k on ODO
194 GIDs on full charge

mtndrew1
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:46 pm

I dropped my 4th bar about two weeks ago and I’m waiting on my new battery to come in. Build date of 01/2013.

From my post on the previous page:

“Today at lunch it dropped the fourth bar after a quick charge. The stats have been bouncing around a bit since I’ve had the car (Ah range of 41.58 to 42.65, SOH 63-65%) but at the bar drop LeafSpy read 42.60Ah/65%SOH/58.45%Hx with 15 QCs and 1367 L1/L2 at 37,254 miles. ”
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SeasonsAfter
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:33 pm

Thanks for the details on your 4th bar drop. Congrats! I wish I had the quick charger feature; I might be able to degrade it before the warranty expires.

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2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 44.83 (all updated 2/1/2018)
SOH 68%
Hx 61.85%
35k on ODO
194 GIDs on full charge

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