smkettner
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I believe today is the last day to order and receive your Tesla in 2018 to get the full $7,500 tax credit.
SageBrush said:How much did you pay for the first LEAF and how long until you bought another ?
SageBrush said:How much did you pay for the second LEAF and how long do you think it will be until it does not meet your present needs ?
SageBrush said:What other cars do you keep to supplement the LEAF ?
SageBrush said:The Tesla value is in not having to keep an ICE around, and having tech that will last a long time.
garsh said:Model 3 starts at $49k currently, but the $35k version should be available early next year.Dooglas said:Remind me of the out-the-door price for a Tesla S or a Tesla 3 these days.
lorenfb said:garsh said:Model 3 starts at $49k currently, but the $35k version should be available early next year.Dooglas said:Remind me of the out-the-door price for a Tesla S or a Tesla 3 these days.
Amazing, that some still believe this!
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:lorenfb said:garsh said:Model 3 starts at $49k currently, but the $35k version should be available early next year.
Amazing, that some still believe this!
don't worry lorenfb, in 3 months you can either say you told us so, or eat crow. the time is coming soon.
Yep.cwerdna said:"$35K" version was originally supposed to be available to order Nov 2017 (https://web.archive.org/web/20170731003139/https://www.tesla.com/support/model-3-reservations-faq).
Which part? That it will be available early next year, or that they'll make it at all?lorenfb said:Amazing, that some still believe this!
garsh said:Yep.cwerdna said:"$35K" version was originally supposed to be available to order Nov 2017 (https://web.archive.org/web/20170731003139/https://www.tesla.com/support/model-3-reservations-faq).
We all know that Tesla has never been able to keep a deadline (sorry - an "aspirational goal"). But they've always delivered the vehicles eventually. And when they do, they're really good, and keep getting better.
Which part? That it will be available early next year, or that they'll make it at all?lorenfb said:Amazing, that some still believe this!
lorenfb said:The M3 at $35K will not be profitable for Tesla, given its overhead.
I don't doubt that Tesla will absorb losses in the near term with SR production, just as they did with the LR. That however is not their longer term plan. My vague recollection is that Elon thinks the SR will be sustainably profitable at 500k Model 3 production a year.WetEV said:lorenfb said:The M3 at $35K will not be profitable for Tesla, given its overhead.
Wrong question. The key question would be will the M3 SR cover marginal cost? If so, then even if 100% M3 SR would be losing money, some mix of SR and LR might be more profitable than making fewer cars that are all M3 LRs.
They cancelled the 40 kWh S and delivered the few that ordered at the time they could 60 kWh S software limited to 40.garsh said:Yep.cwerdna said:"$35K" version was originally supposed to be available to order Nov 2017 (https://web.archive.org/web/20170731003139/https://www.tesla.com/support/model-3-reservations-faq).
We all know that Tesla has never been able to keep a deadline (sorry - an "aspirational goal"). But they've always delivered the vehicles eventually. And when they do, they're really good, and keep getting better.
Each S and X sold is a money-maker. The only reason why Tesla "loses" money is because they're investing in future development and production.cwerdna said:It helps that they're doing this by pricing their (already expensive) vehicles in a way that causes them to lose billions of $ every year.
Yep, bad drive units in the beginning. They've been replaced under warranty. Current drive unit warranty is 8 years, unlimited mileage. There aren't many reports of bad drive units in S or X lately. Those initial growing pains are long over.In terms of reliability, not so good like the folks who were on their 7th or 8th drive unit on their S
How many battery degradation threads have their been?How many motor/gearbox replacements have we seen here on MNL for any reason?
garsh said:The only reason why Tesla "loses" money is because they're investing in future development and production.
I noticed that Elon Musk recently said that the base model 3 will be available by the end of this year but will have a price somewhere in the 40s. In other words, there is not and will not be a $35K Tesla.Oils4AsphaultOnly said:don't worry lorenfb, in 3 months you can either say you told us so, or eat crow. the time is coming soon.lorenfb said:Amazing, that some still believe this!garsh said:Model 3 starts at $49k currently, but the $35k version should be available early next year.
Dooglas said:I noticed that Elon Musk recently said that the base model 3 will be available by the end of this year but will have a price somewhere in the 40s. In other words, there is not and will not be a $35K Tesla.Oils4AsphaultOnly said:don't worry lorenfb, in 3 months you can either say you told us so, or eat crow. the time is coming soon.lorenfb said:Amazing, that some still believe this!
Yep. Tesla hasn't been able to ramp up production enough for the SR ($35k Standard Range) version to be profitable yet. They created the MR ($46k Medium Range) car so that people who are waiting for the SR might be able to afford an MR now before the full federal rebate expires (making it $38.5k after rebate).Oils4AsphaultOnly said:Dooglas said:I noticed that Elon Musk recently said that the base model 3 will be available by the end of this year but will have a price somewhere in the 40s. In other words, there is not and will not be a $35K Tesla.
You might want to check your notices more closely. The Model 3 MR ( medium range ) isn't the base model, and is available for order now for $46 (premium interior required). The $35k base model 3 is awaiting a newly designed smaller battery pack, and that's expected to be built in February.
As far as profitability goes, Tesla has not figured how to turn that trick for any of the model 3s - and their current financial numbers make it look doubtful they will achieve that in the foreseeable future (next 6 months, for example).garsh said:Yep. Tesla hasn't been able to ramp up production enough for the SR ($35k Standard Range) version to be profitable yet. They created the MR ($46k Medium Range) car so that people who are waiting for the SR might be able to afford an MR now before the full federal rebate expires (making it $38.5k after rebate).
Dooglas may end up being right and they'll never get production at a high enough rate to make the SR profitable. But I wouldn't bet on it. I do think it may end up getting delayed until summer. We will see in about 6 months time.
Dooglas said:As far as profitability goes, Tesla has not figured how to turn that trick for any of the model 3s - and their current financial numbers make it look doubtful they will achieve that in the foreseeable future (next 6 months, for example).
At an average Model 3 production rate of about 4,300 per week in Q3 (excluding planned shutdowns), Model 3 gross margin grew
very significantly to above 20%. The mix of the Model 3 Performance version was only slightly higher than the Performance mix of
Model S and X. This strong margin growth was driven by a higher production rate while keeping fixed costs stable, significant
reductions in manufacturing costs through lower labor hours per unit, lower scrap rate, lower material costs, and higher average
selling price.
Tesla was actually overall profitable last quarter. That's right - they actually made money. They plan on being profitable in Q4 as well. As WetEV points out, the current versions of Model 3 being sold are already over 20% gross margin. You can argue that they won't be able to sustain that if you like, but to say that they haven't figured out how to turn a profit on the Model 3 is just straight-up lying. They're doing it.Dooglas said:As far as profitability goes, Tesla has not figured how to turn that trick for any of the model 3s - and their current financial numbers make it look doubtful they will achieve that in the foreseeable future (next 6 months, for example).
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