Reddy
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:04 pm

Durandal wrote:Drove it. Loved it. Bought it. It had 156 GIDs when they dropped it off, so it looks like it is about to drop to 9 bars. I'm Ok with that. With a 20 mile commute each way, and a charger near work, I should be set. :D
Yes, make sure to drive it like you stole it and you may win the new battery lottery. Make sure to keep reading at MNL and you'll learn what you need to know about it. This could be YOU:
http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19967&start=350#p470679
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 47.45 AHr; 39,500 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

Durandal
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Location: Central Arkansas

Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:40 pm

I checked the car fax on it, and it was purchased in 9/2012, so the battery capacity warranty should last until 9/2017.
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

Durandal
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:04 am

So I've not lurked enough to get a full feeling of the stats on Leaf Spy, I have a decent impression after leaving it trickle charging last night after some quick spins driving it like I stole it. lol. Commutes will be in Eco mode, though.

I have no idea how to take a screen shot on this POS Android phone that I keep for a backup phone, so this is what it says:
72.2%; GIDs 203, SOC 93.5% 15.7kWh Remain

It is charging, and says 393.8V, I've not looked to see what the usual voltage of a Leaf pack is, I thought it was 400v, so maybe 2 cells are bad?

It had 153 GIDs when they dropped it off yesterday, so I'm guessing when this is fully charged it should get up to 207 GIDs. I may be wrong, I'm just guessing here.

I can tell by the speed of the trickle charger that I am probably going to want to put in an L2 pretty soon for those times when I know I'm going to need to drive around town a little bit more than normal. That's fine, I can drop the few hundred to run the wiring over there. Until then I will trickle at home and trickle at work. Speaking of, is that power brick 100% weather safe? (It looks like it is, but I couldn't find any info last night.)

I tried to register my car to You+Nissan, but it wouldn't take my VIN, I assume I will have to call customer care to get them to unlock the car for registering, although I don't even know if the issue is moot right now due to the 2G to 3G issue. I did a search for CarWings on the forum, but I failed to find anything useful there. Is there any point in trying to register for it right now?

It is interesting watching LeafSpy as it trickle charges, going anywhere from 900 watts going into the battery pack to as little as 100 watts, I assume it is slowly leveling the battery pack.

Anyhow, you guys have lives, and I don't expect answers to everything. It's all new and I'm excited. I usually will spend hours each day researching things, but I'm going to school full time in addition to my full time job and having a wife and kid, so time is a little more limited than usual for my extracurricular obsessions. :)
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

Phatcat73
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Location: Buffalo Grove, Il

Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:47 am

[quote=so this is what it says:
72.2%; GIDs 203, SOC 93.5% 15.7kWh Remain

[/quote]

Assuming the 72.2 is your SOH and based on the 3rd bar loss metrics on below link you're on your way to losing your 3rd bar. Which is great news considering you have a full year, lots of warranty miles, and live in a warm climate. You are most likely to drop bar #4 and get a new battery. Recommend you charge to 100% daily as well.

http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Real ... acity_Loss

Please repost your AHR and SOH readings from leafspy.
2016 SV; purchased 20-Jan-17, <5k, 98% SOH; 01-Apr-17
2013 SV; purchased 6-March-13 44k, 81% SOH; 3-Apr-17
2015 S; purchased 29-July-14, moved to AZ Nov-2014, 19k, 83% SOH; 30-Mar-17
(LD storage) 2009 Ford Escape Hybrid 4x2), 101k

jkline
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Location: Eastern, WA

Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:25 pm

Charge to 100% daily, starting as soon as you get home from work and let the battery sit at full charge when not in use.

Take care of the 12v tho...

powersurge
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:06 am

HeY.. That is not fair... YOu are giving the guy a prescription on how to destroy his battery to get a freebee.. That is called fraud. If the guy bought a used car and will some day need a new battery, then let him pay for it as anyone should.. The batter warrantee is for a new car protection from a defective battery prematurely....

Looting when the lights go out is also fun... But wrong....

Durandal
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:03 am

I don't intend on altering my behavior to further advance the degradation of the battery pack by any means. After all, there is no guarantee that they will replace it.

I do feel, however that Nissan dropped the ball with these battery packs, as losing 40%+ capacity in 5 years isn't acceptable. Most people consider being able to squeeze 10 years or 100,000 miles out of a car as "normal." At the rate that the packs are losing capacity, that is far below the standard of expectations for vehicle purchases. One certainly would expect a 2012 year model car purchased in late 2016 to have 80% of it's usability through 2022. When you look at the degradation of the Tesla packs in comparison, either there is a design flaw in the chemistry, or the design on keeping the batteries happy. I suspect it's mostly due to Nissan not having active cooling on the batteries. If they had tested properly, they would have known this was going to happen, so either they failed on testing, or they knew the batteries were going to go bad, and claimed otherwise.

That said, even if the SOH drops to 50%, I still can find use for it, just much less use. It would be something to drive to my friend's house or such, but it would severely reduce its usability to me. I'm pleased as punch with the car at the moment, and as long as it works long enough for me to buy a used Tesla Model 3 in 2020 or 2021, I will be doubly pleased.

I was able to download some data from LeafSpy, so now I have better info:
Gids SOC AHr Pack Volts
194 901998 484521 392.83

Hx 12v Bat Volts Odo(km)
53.37 13.84 38646

SOH
73

Looks like I'm averaging 4.2 miles per KWh so far, which is pretty good I think. I'm good about coasting, and I drive in D mode most of the time unless I want to maximize the regen, in which I drop it into Eco, then put it back into D when I'm done with my regen.
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

Durandal
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:24 am

Oh, I just had a thought regarding the warranty. Supposedly the car needs to have a yearly battery check in order to qualify for the warranty, correct? Is there any way I can determine if this has been done without taking my car down to the dealership? For instance can Nissan Customer Car verify the service history on the vehicle?
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

RockyNv
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:48 am

Durandal wrote:I don't intend on altering my behavior to further advance the degradation of the battery pack by any means. After all, there is no guarantee that they will replace it.



Good move as the verbiage in the warranty contains a blurb about any deliberate action taken to reduce battery life voiding the warranty.

They specifically spell out in the owners manual on my 2014 that exposing the car to temps of over 120 degrees for 24 hours voids the battery warranty. No leaving the car in a paint booth with the heat lamps on as some have mentioned the intend to do to hasten the batteries early demise.

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Marktm
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:18 am

Durandal wrote:Oh, I just had a thought regarding the warranty. Supposedly the car needs to have a yearly battery check in order to qualify for the warranty, correct? Is there any way I can determine if this has been done without taking my car down to the dealership? For instance can Nissan Customer Car verify the service history on the vehicle?


At least two years of battery checks were missed when I purchased a 2012 Leaf. Recently the GOM went to 8 bars. The local dealer checked it out and has ordered a new battery under warranty. The "battery report" sent into Nissan power train warranty group was nothing more than the "5 star" rating sheet (with all 5 stars). I did keep the battery charged at near 100% daily because I needed the range! I'd recommend you call your local dealer(s), tell them about your purchase, see if they will give you a "complimentary" battery test - mine did right after I bought it. Drive it as much as you can, use each charge as much as you can, do DCQC charges as much as you can, keep it 100% as much as you can. It is still a cr**-shoot.
2012 Leaf SL; 34,000 miles. 12 bars - Battery replaced November 1st, 2016.
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