cmwade77
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Re: Leaf revival

Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:35 pm

SageBrush wrote:
cmwade77 wrote:
Evoforce wrote:Unless Nissan has changed their traction battery replacement warranty, that is what I was quoted on a 24 kWh battery. 12 month/12,000 miles on a new 24 kWh traction battery replacement. If it has changed, or is different for larger sizes, I would like to know...

That would violate the law, purchasing a new part means the part must come with a warranty equal to or greater than the original part. This is on the back of every single service contract from Nissan Dealerships. As I said in my last post.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

The wording protects your original warranty duration even if a repair is done. E.g., if you start with a 3 year bumper to bumper warranty on a new car and the engine dies the next day, the replacement engine will be warranted to no less than 3 years minus a day. If the replacement engine carries a one year warranty, that year will extend your protection if the original engine died sometime after the second year from car purchase has elapsed.

In short, the repair does not shorten your original protection.

No, that is a warranty replacement, if you buy a new part, it must come with a new warranty. As I said this may be a Califor is thing, but I don't think so.

Additionally,multiple people have indeed co firmed you get a new battery warranty when your purchase a new battery. Including in the article that I linked to and that is even what the Nissan Dealership told me when I asked.

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Re: Leaf revival

Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:34 pm

It may well be that people who buy a new pack get the full warranty, while those who receive a free replacement get the one year warranty.
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Re: Leaf revival

Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:54 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:It may well be that people who buy a new pack get the full warranty, while those who receive a free replacement get the one year warranty.


Nope!

If you get a replacement battery under warranty, It is good for the rest of the original car warranty or 12 months/12 miles, whichever is longer. That is what it was a short time ago.

I was also told that a purchased battery was 12 month/12,000 miles. If it has recently changed, I would like to see or hear proof of it. It doesn't surprise me that there is conflicting dealer information on this.

On a slightly different note, I did however hear from a fellow Leafer that he had talked to someone who had purchased a 40 kWh battery and had it installed into a older Leaf as a replacement.
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*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: Leaf revival

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:36 am

cmwade77 wrote: Including in the article that I linked to and that is even what the Nissan Dealership told me when I asked.

Show me a warranty on the replacement part. Anything else is hot air.

And do remember that nothing prevents Nissan from changing terms on later sales or playing with "9 bars."
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Leaf revival

Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:06 am

On a slightly different note, I did however hear from a fellow Leafer that he had talked to someone who had purchased a 40 kWh battery and had it installed into a older Leaf as a replacement.


I heard the same thing, but it was a Citi car and a Tesla pack. ;-)
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Re: Leaf revival

Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:52 am

SageBrush wrote:
cmwade77 wrote: Including in the article that I linked to and that is even what the Nissan Dealership told me when I asked.

Show me a warranty on the replacement part. Anything else is hot air.



Yes, as has been the case from what we've learned over time about relying on Nissan dealership info, i.e. it has proven to be of little value.
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Re: Leaf revival

Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:17 am

lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
cmwade77 wrote: Including in the article that I linked to and that is even what the Nissan Dealership told me when I asked.

Show me a warranty on the replacement part. Anything else is hot air.



Yes, as has been the case from what we've learned over time about relying on Nissan dealership info, i.e. it has proven to be of little value.

I found the letter that a Nissan Exec posted to this forum some four years ago announcing the battery replacement program for out of warranty cars. He explicitly stated that the purchased battery would carry a 5yr/60k mile degradation warranty. That would be good enough for me if we were talking Toyota, but Nissan ? HA. I trust that company about as far as I can throw it*, and of course time has passed. So even if it had been true 4 years ago, I would not presume it true today.


*That is not accurate. I actually trust Nissan -- to treat the customer like excrement.
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lorenfb
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Re: Leaf revival

Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:37 am

SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Show me a warranty on the replacement part. Anything else is hot air.



Yes, as has been the case from what we've learned over time about relying on Nissan dealership info, i.e. it has proven to be of little value.

I found the letter that a Nissan Exec posted to this forum some four years ago announcing the battery replacement program for out of warranty cars. He explicitly stated that the purchased battery would carry a 5yr/60k mile degradation warranty. That would be good enough for me if we were talking Toyota, but Nissan ? HA. I trust that company about as far as I can throw it*, and of course time has passed. So even if it had been true 4 years ago, I would not presume it true today.


*That is not accurate. I actually trust Nissan -- to treat the customer like excrement.


To continue to warranty a replacement EV battery as if it were in a new vehicle, results in a continuing and increasing liability for an
OEM automotive company. Only when a government requirement exists, e.g. an emissions system part, would an ongoing new type
warranty be provided. As an example, emissions systems related parts are typically warrantied for about 80K miles. If that same
part fails again within that 80K period, the part is still warrantied. Once out of the warranty periods, all replacement parts have typically
a one year warranty.
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Re: Leaf revival

Sat May 12, 2018 5:09 pm

cwerdna wrote:
cmwade77 wrote:And there are people who only drive 8,000 miles a year?

My mother's 07 Altima Hybrid (bought as a leftover 07 around Feb 2008) has under 50K miles on it (maybe not even 45K, will need to check later). If it had 50K, that's only 5K miles/year.

I drove that 07 Altima Hybrid today. IIRC, it had just over 44K miles on it.

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