You won't be able to get a 30kwh battery - you'll have to settle for a 24kwh Lizard pack.
LeftieBiker said:You won't be able to get a 30kwh battery - you'll have to settle for a 24kwh Lizard pack.
alozzy said:Perhaps not...
https://transportevolved.com/2015/09/11/confirmed-30-kwh-nissan-leaf-battery-packs-incompatible-with-older-nissan-leafs/
My guess is they will celll/module replace to bring specs above 8 bars.Oils4AsphaultOnly said:alozzy said:Perhaps not...
https://transportevolved.com/2015/09/11/confirmed-30-kwh-nissan-leaf-battery-packs-incompatible-with-older-nissan-leafs/
From the article: "We should reiterate at this point that what we’ve just said is our own theory"
Once Nissan runs out of refurbished 24kwh packs for warranty repairs, I wonder if they'll be forced to make the 30kwh work with the 2013-2015 leafs (the 2011-2012 will probably be out of warranty by that time)?
alozzy said:Perhaps not...
https://transportevolved.com/2015/09/11/confirmed-30-kwh-nissan-leaf-battery-packs-incompatible-with-older-nissan-leafs/
That seems like the most labor-intensive route Nissan can take. Instead, they could remove the intact battery pack from the car and send it to the factory to be mass-recycled with other batteries and then take a new pack off the assembly line and ship it to the dealer to bolt in. What you're saying would require special training at every dealership, training auto mechanics to work on high voltage lithium batteries and electronics, troubleshoot problem cells, and then reassemble and re-seal the pack as good as factory new. That would be like Nissan machining and rebuilding an engine in a Titan pickup truck instead of getting a crate motor from the factory.ElectricEddy said:My guess is they will celll/module replace to bring specs above 8 bars.
VitaminJ said:That seems like the most labor-intensive route Nissan can take. Instead, they could remove the intact battery pack from the car and send it to the factory to be mass-recycled with other batteries and then take a new pack off the assembly line and ship it to the dealer to bolt in. What you're saying would require special training at every dealership, training auto mechanics to work on high voltage lithium batteries and electronics, troubleshoot problem cells, and then reassemble and re-seal the pack as good as factory new. That would be like Nissan machining and rebuilding an engine in a Titan pickup truck instead of getting a crate motor from the factory.ElectricEddy said:My guess is they will celll/module replace to bring specs above 8 bars.
IssacZachary said:I'm under the impression that Leaf battery cells tend to "wear out" or degrade consistently throughout the whole pack. I'd find it hard to believe that there'd be traction batteries with 12 bar cells and 8 bar cells in the same battery. As far as I understand the whole battery is a wear item. When one cell is at 8 bars, so to speak, the others aren't far behind in degradation. It's not like a motor or engine that you can replace the bearings and couple other wear items and get it refurbished like new.
Yes, however the '11 and '12 guys due to the amended Klee settlement end up receiving a new battery: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=18905.IssacZachary said:Let me get this straight. If the battery goes 8 bars during the warranty period Nissan can slip a 9 bar "rebuilt" battery in the car.
So far, it seems like everyone (most everyone?) has been receiving new batteries. That could change for '13+ Leafs.LITHIUM-ION BATTERY CAPACITY COVERAGE
In addition to the Lithium-Ion Battery Coverage for defects in materials or workmanship, the Lithium- Ion battery is also warranted against capacity loss below nine bars of capacity as shown on the vehicle’s battery capacity level gauge for a period of 60 months or 60,000 miles, whichever comes first.
This warranty covers any repairs needed to return battery capacity to a level of nine remaining bars on the vehicle’s battery capacity level gauge. If possible, the Lithium-Ion battery components will be repaired or replaced, and the original Lithium- Ion battery will be returned to the vehicle. If necessary, the Lithium-Ion battery will be replaced with either a new or remanufactured Lithium-Ion battery. Any repair or replacement made under this Lithium-Ion Battery Capacity Coverage may not return your Lithium-Ion battery to an “as new” condition with all 12 battery capacity bars, but it will provide the vehicle with a capacity level of nine bars or more on the battery capacity level gauge.
I believe the $5,499 battery is new: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=17168IssacZachary said:Does that mean that the $6,000 battery is "refurbished" too or is it new (12 bars)?
IssacZachary said:Let me get this straight. If the battery goes 8 bars during the warranty period Nissan can slip a 9 bar "rebuilt" battery in the car.
Does that mean that the $6,000 battery is "refurbished" too or is it new (12 bars)?
IssacZachary said:Let me get this straight. If the battery goes 8 bars during the warranty period Nissan can slip a 9 bar "rebuilt" battery in the car.
Does that mean that the $6,000 battery is "refurbished" too or is it new (12 bars)?
DaveinOlyWA said:IssacZachary said:Let me get this straight. If the battery goes 8 bars during the warranty period Nissan can slip a 9 bar "rebuilt" battery in the car.
Does that mean that the $6,000 battery is "refurbished" too or is it new (12 bars)?
why has it become the norm to assume the worst?
IssacZachary said:DaveinOlyWA said:IssacZachary said:Let me get this straight. If the battery goes 8 bars during the warranty period Nissan can slip a 9 bar "rebuilt" battery in the car.
Does that mean that the $6,000 battery is "refurbished" too or is it new (12 bars)?
why has it become the norm to assume the worst?
It was just a question. It's important to know the facts so as to make good decisions. I wouldn't want to pay $6,000 for a 9 bar battery, would you? They're are plenty of people that assume the best too; people who think that in a couple years you'll be able to get a direct fit 48kWh battery that weighs the same as the current 24kWh battery from your local parts store for only $1,000 or who think that in a couple years there'll be a CHAdeMO station at every gasoline station.
Let's hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
IssacZachary said:I was asking a question. Questions are for finding facts. Someone earlier said that Nissan can put a 9 bar battery in a car for a warranty replacement. I never said they have not did he. I was asking a question.
If Nissan can and potentially will make refurbished batteries that will have less than new capacity if you or I buy a $6,000 battery from them is it going to be new or refurbished?
That's all I want to know. I'm not making any sort of statement. I'm not a propagandist. I'm an inquierer.
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