Future EV predictions, anyone?
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edatoakrun
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No, not really.tattoogunman said:
Idiotic CARB regulations still require that the generator not be turned on until the battery charge is nearly exhausted, to meet its BEVx classification.
This means the generator has to be over-sized to provide full traction energy to BEV with a depleted pack, and even then may only power the car inadequately in extreme conditions, as is the case with a BMW i3.
This issue has been discussed for many years on this thread:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6847
hyperionmark
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Definitely agree. We are in the same boat in our household. For now that means a PiP and Leaf. In a couple years it will likely be a Model 3 and Leaf.SageBrush said:
I would guess the vast majority of 2 car homes don't need 2 long range cars.
:? that would make more sense then. Well not really make sense that they don't include Teslas, at least without a major * stating so, but explains the relativly low average price of a new BEV considering TeslaSageBrush said:
+1, Leaf and regular('07) Prius. We'd like to replace the regular Prius with the Prime but it just keeps going and going, with no real maintenance other than 5k oil/filter changes. With even the Prime we'd get our gasoline purchases down to basically a couple longer trips/year and maybe a half dozen trips across town where the Prime wouldn't make it on EV alone and the Leaf was being used, the rest of our town driving is almost exclusively done with the Leaf.hyperionmark said:
IssacZachary
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EVDRIVER
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LeftieBiker said:
I had one of the first reservations. Too bad the "*&^" that took over the company ran it into the ground, biggest bunch of clowns. Almost seemed intentional. Those who know the Aptera saga and all the details remember it well. Anyone that ever drove the car knew how cool it was at the time.
Firetruck41
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Surprised you have to do 5k oil changes. I can go 7.5k on my Nissan Titan. I would think the Prius engine could go 10k or more as it is less stressed and not even running for all those miles. But yeah, it would be hard to get rid of a (probably paid for) efficient/reliable car like that.jjeff said:
IssacZachary
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I wonder if car manufacturers don't add more maintenance than necessary to make up for the lack of maintenance these types of cars normally need. For an example, why do Nissan Leafs need so many brake fluid changes? I can't remember the exact numbers but I seem to recall every year. What other car needs brake fluid changes every year?Firetruck41 said:
On the other hand if your like me and have driven family cars with over 300,000 miles on the original engine(Ford Aerostar 300k, Honda Civic 400k and VW Golf 500k) then you know how much those regular oil changes end up paying off in the end.
Actually for us 5k can be almost a year, depending on any long trips. In MN with cold starts and sometimes short trips I don't like to push it too far. I believe the manual says 5k and while I suppose I could push it to 7.5k if it were just summer driving, it's not. Truthfully I've always been a 3k oil and filter person up until the Prius and my previous '04 Scion. One reason being, my previous car, a '94 Geo Metro was faithfully changed at 3k, at 10 years old it had 65k miles and ran like a top, at 11 years the frame broke(rusted) rendering the car undrivable and it had to be junkedFiretruck41 said:
From then on I figured why do all the extra oil changes if something other than the engine is going to go bad and make it worthless. The Prius being used for longer trips has higher mileage(95k) but if something like the battery pack goes and renders it uneconomical to fix, I will have saved some money on oil and filters. Glad I don't have to mess with oil and filters with my Leaf IssacZachary said:
Biennial brake fluid changes have been recommended by many manufacturers and independent mechanics long before the Leaf showed up in people's driveways. The recommendation is due to the brake fluid's tendency to absorb water from the atmosphere.
Whether you can get away with waiting longer is a different story. But it certainly predates the modern plug-in car era.
cwerdna
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For Gen 2 Prius (04 to 09), the oil change interval was every 5K miles or every 6 months. I'm pretty sure synthetic was never officially approved for that generation of Prius.SageBrush said:
We didn't hear about the 1 year/12K mile and synthetic approval until at least few months into Gen 3 (2010 to 2015 model year). It was only for Gen 3 and also didn't increase the OCI of cars for which it was never approved.
https://toyota.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7604
https://toyota.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7746/related/1
https://fleet.toyota.com/ftc/public/staticContent/docs/Miscellaneous%20Information/Archived/Synthetic%20Engine%20Oil%20Type%202015%20Update%2008-04-14.pdf
https://priuschat.com/threads/prius-2010-oil-change-interval-revised-not-yet-closed.68487/ from Sep 2009. Gen 3 Prius began shipping around May 2009.
It's a sealed system - water is mainly picked up when the reservoir cap is opened. Since the reservoir is translucent, you rarely need to open the cap. My car is still on the original brake fluid: part of me wants to have it changed next week when the car is serviced, but the other part reminds me that I'll be turning the car in before next Winter. The fluid tested fine last Spring, so I may just test it again, with a test strip.
IssacZachary
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Looking in my Golf's owner's manual, it says every two years regardless of miles or use. But in the Leaf's owner's manual it clearly states yearly:
Dealerships always suggest services based on the "Severe" schedule, even though it doesn't usually apply.
LeftieBiker said:
I don't think it's 100% sealed, otherwise the fluid won't be able to drain out of the reservoir.
If you live in a dry climate like Las Vegas or Phoenix you may be able to get away without changing it a lot longer than somewhere humid like Florida or Hawaii. Perhaps it should be extended as some manufacturers have done, but for some manufacturers the recommendation is still every two years.
Anyway, my point being is that biennial brake fluid changes long pre-dated the modern plug-in car era.
Fluid only moves from the reservoir as the caliper pistons move outwards, and this doesn't require any air space in the lines - air bubbles can't be present, or the system won't work. There is no flowing brake fluid in contact with air under normal circumstances, AFAIK, except for the small amount of air in the reservoir.
