Let's hope that the 40kwh pack doesn't use the same chemistry as the 30kwh pack. That would make us all miserable eventually, and ruin Nissan as a viable manufacturer of EVs.
LeftieBiker said:Let's hope that the 40kwh pack doesn't use the same chemistry as the 30kwh pack. That would make us all miserable eventually, and ruin Nissan as a viable manufacturer of EVs.
Relayer1956 at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=17459&p=517554#p517554 has reported losing his 3rd bar on 1/27/18.Relayer1956 said:I own a 2015 SL and I've already lost 2 bars and I'm expecting the third to drop any time now.
I just posted my 100% charge statistics (see post below).
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=17459&start=750#p507333
True enough, but I assume LeftieBiker means that they are both NMC and probably from the same cathode supplier.DaveinOlyWA said:The 40 kwh pack "can't" use the same chemistry. It would be bigger and its not. They saved some space by redesigning the packaging but not that much space.LeftieBiker said:Let's hope that the 40kwh pack doesn't use the same chemistry as the 30kwh pack. That would make us all miserable eventually, and ruin Nissan as a viable manufacturer of EVs.
Yikes, that seems like an extremely low range for 11 bars.gncndad said:Purchased 2015 S, with 6800 miles, for $14.9k, in Feb, 2016.
Now at 22k miles (2 years ownership), just dropped to 11 bars. Fort Worth, Texas, used daily for short commute (20miles r/t), and local errands, dropping to GOM 40-45miles, level 1 charging nightly to 100% capacity...virtually every day for 2 years. We continually charge it to 100% every day.
Electricity costs us $.07/KWH, wind power sourced, "fuel" cost is around $.02/mile. Only expense in 24 months has been a pair of wiper blades. It will need tires in another 4-5k miles, local driving seems to wear them out faster than I might have wanted.
It's an amazing utility vehicle, like it very much. I'll leave it up to others here to tell me if I'm losing my shirt or doing just fine...I couldn't be happier!
gncndad said:Purchased 2015 S, with 6800 miles, for $14.9k, in Feb, 2016.
Now at 22k miles (2 years ownership), just dropped to 11 bars. Fort Worth, Texas, used daily for short commute (20miles r/t), and local errands, dropping to GOM 40-45miles, level 1 charging nightly to 100% capacity...virtually every day for 2 years. We continually charge it to 100% every day.
Electricity costs us $.07/KWH, wind power sourced, "fuel" cost is around $.02/mile. Only expense in 24 months has been a pair of wiper blades. It will need tires in another 4-5k miles, local driving seems to wear them out faster than I might have wanted.
It's an amazing utility vehicle, like it very much. I'll leave it up to others here to tell me if I'm losing my shirt or doing just fine...I couldn't be happier!
GerryAZ said:gncndad said:Purchased 2015 S, with 6800 miles, for $14.9k, in Feb, 2016.
Now at 22k miles (2 years ownership), just dropped to 11 bars. Fort Worth, Texas, used daily for short commute (20miles r/t), and local errands, dropping to GOM 40-45miles, level 1 charging nightly to 100% capacity...virtually every day for 2 years. We continually charge it to 100% every day.
Electricity costs us $.07/KWH, wind power sourced, "fuel" cost is around $.02/mile. Only expense in 24 months has been a pair of wiper blades. It will need tires in another 4-5k miles, local driving seems to wear them out faster than I might have wanted.
It's an amazing utility vehicle, like it very much. I'll leave it up to others here to tell me if I'm losing my shirt or doing just fine...I couldn't be happier!
If it was new in February 2016, the dealer probably kept it fully charged while sitting on the lot. Don't worry about the capacity bar drop as long as the car meets your daily driving needs. Since your annual mileage is low, there is a slight possibility that you will lose enough capacity to qualify for a new battery by the 60 month warranty expiration. If not, you are probably saving enough on fuel and maintenance to pay for a new battery when the range no longer meets your needs. My 2015 did not sit on a lot (manufactured 1/2015 and purchased 2/7/2015) so it might be better than cars that spend some time in inventory, but it still has 10 capacity bars at a little over 55,000 miles in Phoenix.
Icanmakeit said:I have a 2015 leaf S model . Grey in color with standart options including quick charge. in good shape no accidents or damage. Great Car.
85,000 miles 8 bars on battery. I'm in SOCAL.
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Im in Orange county Ca.
Those snow tires make a big difference on range. I will also note that when the capacity of the LEAF battery drops, it affects the top portion of the SOC range much more than the bottom portion. in other words, your car likely has lost more range from 100% SOC down to 76% SOC than from there down to zero. Also, this effect seems to get worse just before losing a bar which is where your LEAF appears to be.MVLeaf said:In a warmish spell of weather, mid-40Fs, I'm seeing drop from 100% charge to 76% after 15 miles. I should say I have new snow tires all around mounted on steel wheels.
Possibly both are "correct". The first one is how much capacity the BMS thinks the battery has at 100% charge. The lower number is how much is available at the current SOC. But the BMS has plenty of room for error, so neither is fully accurate.MVLeaf said:Which Ahr value is correct?
It's hard to know if they did anything tricky, such as resetting the BMS to indicate 12 bars remaining, even though one or more capacity bars has previously been lost. IMO, 54.12 Ah is low enough that you *should* have lost the 12th capacity bar. It also doesn't seem to match the SOH of 87.15% (which I would expect to be lower).MVLeaf said:I'm trying to determine if the dealer did anything tricky or if just perhaps didn't treat it well during the couple of years they had it on the lot with little usage.
No.MVLeaf said:From this point forward, is there any reason to think that this car will lose bars faster than others over the next, say, 50,000 miles?
I used to, but I don't anymore. There are two reasons:MVLeaf said:Also, is it OK to leave the OBDII gizmo plugged in?
MVLeaf said:First of all, please tell me if I am posting in the wrong place
On Nov 24th 2017 we bought a used 2015 SV from a dealer here in MA that had been used as a loaner vehicle to their customers, with 720 miles on the odometer and all 12 bars. Now has 2072 miles on the odometer, still 12 bars. In a warmish spell of weather, mid-40Fs, I'm seeing drop from 100% charge to 76% after 15 miles. I should say I have new snow tires all around mounted on steel wheels. But it's pretty flat here on Martha's Vineyard and no place where we drive above 45 mph.
I just got Leafspy Pro and I am seeing at the top of the Battery Cells graph a series of stats as follows:
54.12 Ahr SOH 87.15% Hx 78.8%.
On the Table page it has:
95.3% SOC 248 GIDs 51.58 Ahr 19.2 kWh.
Which Ahr value is correct?
I'm trying to determine if the dealer did anything tricky or if just perhaps didn't treat it well during the couple of years they had it on the lot with little usage. From what I read in other threads, this car is close to losing the first bar. MA has a lemon law which is 90 days so I'm about a week away from making any kind of claim if there is a basis for one.
Thanks very much, experienced insights would be most welcome.
I don't see anything that would make me think the dealer was underhanded, and certainly nothing that would put the car in the lemon class.MVLeaf said:I'm trying to determine if the dealer did anything tricky or if just perhaps didn't treat it well during the couple of years they had it on the lot with little usage. From what I read in other threads, this car is close to losing the first bar.
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