EVDRIVER said:
Valdemar said:
Like it or not but capacity loss happened, you just don't see it because Elon hid it well from you. As crappy as Leaf batteries are, at least we don't hear about a Leaf fire every 2-3 months.
Hid it, how? I had an S with 50K miles and the loss was completely insignificant. The car was driven in high temps and used SC almost exclusively even in the desert. The fires are nonsense FUD, you don't hear about LEAF fires because there are so few LEAFs out there and you can't drive one into a wall at 120 either. Emulate the same situations in a LEAF and you won't even need to worry about about a fire you will be dead on impact. Do it in an ICE and you will get the same result. If you drive a Tesla you will see how incredibly accurate the range meter is and how much FUD is just that.
The fact that user reported Tesla degradation is much lower than that the typical cell experiences from just sitting on a shelf w/no cycling simply indicates that the capacity losses are well buffered. I suppose that is all that matters for an end user but it is naive to believe and state there is no capacity loss. The buffer is likely sized to just get through the 8 year warranty (some 60kWh models had shorter warranty if memory serves, i.e. smaller buffer, also the fact Tesla refuses to extend original battery warranty on CPO purchases is a hint), with that it will be interesting to see how things pan out in the next couple of years after the first gen warranty expires. As for fires, yes I am skeptical it is a wide-spread issue with Tesla, but the fact Tesla is using more reactive chemistry in their cells is widely known, so there must be something to it.