OrientExpress
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Minority dissent noted.
GerryAZ said:I just cannot understand why Nissan is not willing to update the software on 2018 Leafs in the USA.
Having to charge on road trips may have some something to do with the focus, hmmm ?OrientExpress said:...The only issue here is that the situation that the author dwells on and makes the central thesis of the article (Slow than desired charging) is essentially limited to less than a thousand LEAFs in the US...
OrientExpress said:But it doesn’t change the fact that ALL BEVs including Tesla’s are marginal long distance personal transportation.
And that won’t change until a BEV can meet or beat the 80/400/30/30 rule.
SageBrush said:OrientExpress said:But it doesn’t change the fact that ALL BEVs including Tesla’s are marginal long distance personal transportation.
And that won’t change until a BEV can meet or beat the 80/400/30/30 rule.
OrientExpress said:But the original argument still stands, that BEVs are not a reasonable alternative for ICEs or hybrids for long distance travel and that won’t change until a BEV can meet or beat the 80/400/30/30 rule.
WetEV said:OrientExpress said:But the original argument still stands, that BEVs are not a reasonable alternative for ICEs or hybrids for long distance travel and that won’t change until a BEV can meet or beat the 80/400/30/30 rule.
What is "the 80/400/30/30 rule"?
Our 12 year old Prius can easily beat that. Now we don't normally drive 80, generally 70ish on the interstate but our normal interstate driving would be:OrientExpress said:The 80/400/30/30 rule are a set of BEV benchmarks that measure parity with ICE vehicles in the US. For BEVs to achieve mass market acceptance, they will need to achieve parity with all of these.
Today many BEVs have achieved parity with some of these benchmarks, but none have achieved them all.
80 - A BEV must be able to travel at 80 mph for its entire battery capacity and do it repeatedly.
400 - A BEV must be able to travel 400 miles on one charge
30 - A BEV must be able to recharge to achieve 80/400 in less than 30 minutes, and be able to do this repeatedly.
30 - A BEV must cost less than $30K before incentives and must be able to achieve 80/400/30.
What is the basis for 80/400/30/30?
Today there are any number of ICE vehicles available that can achieve this easily, and this has been the case for over ten years. For BEVs to receive mainstream buyer consideration they must have parity with the vehicles that they aim to replace.
Because ICE have similar incentives ?OrientExpress said:30 - A BEV must cost less than $30K before incentives.
SageBrush said:Because ICE have similar incentives ?
Because ICE fuel is the same cost as electricity ?
You are evading my questions.OrientExpress said:SageBrush said:Because ICE have similar incentives ?
Because ICE fuel is the same cost as electricity ?
Because the medium price for a new automobile that can meet the 80/400/30/30 is less than $30,000 USD.
In what way is 600 miles an edge case ? Too far, or not far enough ?OrientExpress said:In the 10 plus years that I have been covering this issue of BEVs being universal replacements for ICE vehicles, there is always the edge cases that do not represent the majority. Driving 600 miles in a BEV per day certainly is one of those.
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