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fotajoye said:I'm lobbying for a better battery.
Not sure Nissan needs to be lobbied on this. The battery technology improves at its own pace - hopefully faster in future given Billions in investments.
fotajoye said:I'm lobbying for a better battery.
OrientExpress said:The challenge of bringing a mass produced BEV to market in the quantity and quality that Nissan has done in the last 2 years is very very hard work. And as with any very hard effort, all will not go perfectly, but through continuous learning and improvement, the advancement of the art will continue. I think that in the coming year, that as the global leader in BEV vehicles, Nissan will advance the art and science of the BEV in a significant way, and will set a new standard for BEV customer satisfaction as well.
I think this sums up the situation very nicely. Sure, Nissan may change, but there hasn't been any evidence of it so far. The time for talk, vague hints and promises of something good coming "in the near future" is long past. Until Nissan takes action, it's all vaporware.drees said:On a more serious note - I think we all would be more forgiving of Nissan - but frankly it's been 98% silence from Nissan.
No real information on what kind of capacity loss to expect except for a very general expectation which leads all customers to assume that they will meet or beat those expectations (we're all optimists!).
No real information on how Nissan plans to address capacity loss despite this drum being beaten for 6 months now (and the first signs of this started showing up 5-6 months before that.
No real effort to assist with buy-backs whose range has degraded 5 years worth in less than 2 years except for a very few and vocal customers.
No real effort to communicate on the forum aside from a couple random posts from Jeff K (aka Hawk0630) despite his assurances otherwise.
No real news or apparent movement from the advisory panel since it's announcement 3 months ago.
It will certainly take quite a turn around on Nissan's part to change the mind of many of the early adopters who have been burned and feel like they've been left hanging with little to no recourse.
Nope, my last software program was probably 10 lines in BASIC and had a GOTO statement. :lol: Again, a retrofit and for future models.planet4ever said:Can, yes, but would it be practical? Why would they design a special identically-sized module just to satisfy a few thousand upgrade requests? It would be a dead-end technology with a high front-end cost.Reddy said:I still think engineers can make the internal components smaller, add more to the pouch, and produce a identically-sized module that has more capacity.
Have you ever written software programs like this? What you are talking about is a specialized version of the code that supports new interfaces to the new battery together with old interfaces to the rest of the car. Not only would there be a high development cost (to be spread over relatively few customers), but it would provide an additional environment that must be supported; one more code source or variant to apply fixes to, and one more physical configuration to be tested thoroughly before any fix could be released.Reddy said:Sure there may be some additional BMS tweaks, but why can't this be available for the 2011 Leaf in '14 or '15?
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Reddy said:Notice that once again Nissan is completely SILENT on the US specs. I wonder if there isn't some major improvement that is being kept secret.
I think we saw EXACTLY what they meant by "better" in photos posted on the forum. It looks like they dropped weight and made the modules cheaper. A big win from Nissan's point of view.DaveinOlyWA said:Green Car Reports posted a rumor back in Sept that the 2013 American LEAF would have "better" batteries. now better in what way? was not specified. they guessed it would be cheaper (which is whole reason to build the car and major components like battery in US instead of Japan)
now we have heard nothing. Nissan is doing big big push to get rid of 2012's obviously because as soon as 2013's are announced, the sales will presumably stop. so much be something worth the wait. or could be just a big price drop due to savings of onshore assembly
DaveinOlyWA said:At the risk of sounding like the hopeless optimist that I am (is that an oxymoron?) I will just say "we shall see soon enough"
GetOffYourGas said:DaveinOlyWA said:At the risk of sounding like the hopeless optimist that I am (is that an oxymoron?) I will just say "we shall see soon enough"
Too late
As much as I want to see a significantly improved battery with the purported 25% increased range, all at a lower price, I don't think it will happen this year. Let me instead say "I'll believe it when I see it".
I heard that the US specs for the 2013 will be announced at the Detroit Auto Show, mid-January.Douglas57 said:What time frame does everyone think the 2013 will be announced and made public to check out with all the specs and everything?
Yep, dates of the show at http://www.naias.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I'd imagine we'll hear a FLURRY of activity, news, press releases, etc. from all major automakers.mikeEmike said:I heard that the US specs for the 2013 will be announced at the Detroit Auto Show, mid-January.Douglas57 said:What time frame does everyone think the 2013 will be announced and made public to check out with all the specs and everything?
GREENEV said:Does anyone know when the construction of the US Nissan LEAF plant(s) were finished?
It'll be interesting to see the quality control of the 2013 US built LEAF vs the 2010/2011/2012 Japanese built LEAF.
DaveinOlyWA said:the other comment on perceived quality differences from American built Japanese cars verses Japan built has pretty much faded over the years.
TomT said:Though I expect it to perhaps drop a bit for a while while the new plant comes up to speed. That is almost always the case when production is shifted, particularly with a new model or significant model changes...
DaveinOlyWA said:the other comment on perceived quality differences from American built Japanese cars verses Japan built has pretty much faded over the years.
LEAFfan said:GetOffYourGas said:DaveinOlyWA said:At the risk of sounding like the hopeless optimist that I am (is that an oxymoron?) I will just say "we shall see soon enough"
Too late
As much as I want to see a significantly improved battery with the purported 25% increased range, all at a lower price, I don't think it will happen this year. Let me instead say "I'll believe it when I see it".
It was never 26%. With the weight reduction and efficiency improvements, more likely 15%.
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